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Smaller round baler?

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Oilburner

07-18-2007 09:00:47




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I live in an area where it is a pain to buy round bales, and I'd like to be able to bale my own hay. But all I have is a good MF135 and a skid-steer. Knowing no more than this, could I bale the smaller 4' round bales with what I have? (Must be round bales = we have draft horses & they go through too much hay for square bales!)
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Oilburner

07-24-2007 09:35:49




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Thanks for all the great replies! We will look into all the balers you've suggested while we are finishing the barn (for all that hay of course). At this point, I think using the Massey to rake & maybe cut might work out best if we can swing buying a 2nd larger tractor & just baling larger rolls since the bigger balers are so much easier to find/buy.

Already got a spear for the skid-steer, that little machine has more than paid for itself w/ construction projects so it's a keeper third party image

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dorset farmer

07-19-2007 11:02:29




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
I second the Vermeer idea. I have a 403F (makes a 4 ft x 3 ft bale) and the machine is smaller than the 503 Vermeer. While no longer made, the parts are no problem, and you can likely find a good used one. It will work like a champ behind your Massey. Mike M



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Ktheo1

07-19-2007 08:01:14




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Get a New Holland 630 or 638.They call for 35HP ,have electric tie so only single hyd. is needed.They make a 4x4 bale that weighs 550 to 600 lbs and are pretty well bullit proof .



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Luke S

07-19-2007 07:34:19




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
I have a Case-IH 8420 which is made by Hesston and is the same as the Hesston 530/730. It only calls for 35hp and one remote. I pull it with a 42 pto hp tractor and have no problems running it. Makes nice little bales that weigh 500-600 lbs. Mine is in excellent condition and I only gave $3,900 for it. It is about the smallest round baler made except for those tiny little ones mabe by star but the bales are so small with those you'd be better off staying with square bales, and they run a rediculous amount of money. Look for a Case-IH 8420, Hesston 530 or 5530. The newer Hesston 730 will be a lot more money if you could find a used one.

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Smith1000

07-19-2007 04:01:06




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
I am using a Hesston 5500 Rounder behind a Super MTA (46-48 hp I think, but not exactly sure). The baler makes 5X5 bales and calls for a 50 hp tractor. I read the review report on the baler on-line and it said it generally used 27-33 hp during the test. I wouldn"t go any lower on hp than what I am using.

I am not making full sized bales with it. I am stopping at 3/4 size, sometimes slightly under, which is a bale that is probably less than 800 lbs. Book says you can make bales as small as 2 and 1/2 feet in diameter with it. I have made some that small just to see how it does. It cranks that size out fairly easily. They are 5 feet long. Once the bales get larger, it is a fairly good load on the tractor especially going up hills. Have to keep the idle on the tractor fairly high to keep the pto spinning fast enough to do a good job spinning the baler. It is hard to start bales with this baler, but I think that is more of a baler design problem.

Just need to make sure the hay is real dry. Most around here feed large rounds to cattle anymore. More important is that the hay is baled when it was not wet heavy dew or rain. I have read cows will eat hay with mold in it and be okay, but it may affect the development of the fetus which could cause calving losses (white mold). Some on this board may be more familiar with this than I am.

I feed and help take care of my neighbor"s cattle. He is 91 and only feeds small square bales. I have occasionally fed some large rounds to them. He says there is less waste with small squares and they can be fed more efficiently, etc. I think he is right, but the small squares are sure labor intensive and it seems hard to find high school kids anymore who want to move square bales. Got to have a barn to put them in, etc.

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Powerfarmer

07-19-2007 03:08:10




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
What about a Krone, their KR125 chain type baler is very easy to drive.



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Oldmax

07-18-2007 18:57:14




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Remember if you are going to feed hay to horses you must keep hay stored in dry place I know more than one person that has found out the hard way . Cattle can eat hay with mold but horses can't .



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Trent544

07-18-2007 18:43:34




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Vermeer also made a 503I that made a 3ft wide x 5 ft high bale. They might be hard to find though. You could stop it at less than 5 ft. I think it would pull easy.



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Dave Anderson

07-18-2007 17:07:03




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
I pull a Heston 5530, just like pictured below, with an Allis-Chalmers D-12. Like others have said, all you need is 2 way hydraulic system, that makes a nice little bale 350-600 lb range. I pick 'em up with a Asv Rc30 which can't lift more than 770lbs.



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caterpillar guy

07-18-2007 16:20:19




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Buy the smaller round baler and if the 135 is not enough tractor for the job rent a bigger one till you find the size your happy with. cheaper than buying and maintenance on the short term then buy what you need later also will help the bottom line for debt asset ratio if money is the issue.



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Big Hunter

07-18-2007 15:31:07




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Star makes a mini round baler. I think the bales are 3ft by 3ft? I forget. If I remember right a new one cost like $15,000.



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Hay DR

07-18-2007 13:27:48




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
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The Hesston 530,5530 & 730 are all the same baler and were sold under Case/IH and New Idea. This baler need only 30 PTO HP and hydraulics on the tractor. The Vermeer 504 I and 5400 Rebel can be pulled by a 135 but you will be changing gears all day if you have hills.

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low budget

07-18-2007 12:40:36




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Hesston/CaseIH made a small round baler that supposedly only required 35 hp. Made a 39 inch wide bale up to about 50 inch dia. bale. Variable chamber, so you could make smaller diameter bales if you want. CaseIH model was 8420, cant remember Hesston number right now.



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Jason Simmerman

07-18-2007 12:18:30




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Most of your 4x4 round balers require at least 50 PTO HP, and dual hydraulic remotes.



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haymaster

07-18-2007 10:35:38




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Oilburner,
Smaller round bales would be the way to go, like 4X4 or there 'bouts. I would love to find a 4X4 Hesston or Gehl round baler for my farm. Go with the belt baler, rather than a chain. It doesn't beat up the leaves too bad. We feed out quarter horses & tennessee walkers with round bales when we can get 'em. It's a good way to feed. I would probably look for a minimum 50-60 hp tractor to run a round baler. I use a 100 hp JD to run a NH super sweep small square baler. Probably an overkill on the hp but what the heck. Get a bale spear that clamps on your skid steer bucket and stack 'em up.

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paul

07-18-2007 09:53:18




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Little 3 foot skid steer, or a sizable one?

Real hard to get a round baler to work with less than 40 hp, and most of us who have been there want 60-80 hp.... Not familiar with MF tractors, but sounds like it is 35hp?

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old

07-18-2007 09:37:18




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 Re: Smaller round baler? in reply to Oilburner, 07-18-2007 09:00:47  
Not very many balers that you could pull behind that tractor. Since its only about a 35HP tractor you are very limited to what it can do. You either need a bigger tractor or you need to have some one do the baling for you



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