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Drawbar

03-29-2000 20:38:00

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I just bought a JD 14T baler with a burned out clutch on the input shaft. I think the clutch fried because the slide was stuck. I did break free the compactor slide (thing hooked up to the connecting rod, the slide that compacts the hay) by rocking the flywheel. This slide still gets tight about half way on it's rearward stroke. Are there plastic pads mounted in the tunnel that this slide rides on? There are four large bolts on the left side of the slide - are these for adjustment against the inside of the tunnel? Against the plastic pads? Can the burned out clutch be rebuilt? multiple disc type clutch? where's best/cheapest place to get replacment clutch plates for this? I will order 14T O.M. but there seems to be some 14T experts out there, help on this? thks.

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Shorty Dear

04-01-2000 17:49:15

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Re: Baler jammed in reply to Drawbar, 03-29-2000 20:38:00

I have a couple of original operators manuals for the 14T balers. I will sell you one if you want an original. Also, PLEASE don't mess with that baler any more until you have the manuals and try to get someone with baler experiance to advise you about the dangers involved. I was in the custom baling business for 16 years, and like the other guys have said, the hay baler is a VERY dangereous piece of equipment. It can remove a hand, arm, or fingers before you know it!!!!

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Drawbar

04-02-2000 20:22:20

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Re: Re: Baler jammed in reply to Shorty Dear, 04-01-2000 17:49:15

thanks for thinking of me. I will be safe. Shorty, I already have an Owners Manual on the way. if it's not right or of poor quality print & pictures, then I will get ahold of you and one of the original O.M.s you offered. I paid $33 (incl. postage) for the manual that's comming. We'll see...
Regards, Drawbar

PS: Thank you for your concern about my safety. I could tell you my background, but it wouldn't matter, ANYONE can slip up.thks.

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Bill in Mich

03-30-2000 20:07:57

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Re: Baler jammed in reply to Drawbar, 03-29-2000 20:38:00

One safety thought, when you are working on the plunger or the knife make sure that the connecting rod to the plunger is down on the botton of the bailer stroke and the plunger is tied off so it cannot move while you are reaching in the bailer. I have seen bailers suddenly start to rotate because the con rod was in the up position and gravity pulled enough to make it move. This Is so you wont get somthing chopped off!! Bill in Mich

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Fudd@Work

03-30-2000 19:00:45

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Re: Baler jammed in reply to Drawbar, 03-29-2000 20:38:00

Just another thought. Make sure the knotters are in the home position. If they are not, a stop in the bottom of the bale chamber will come up and stop the plunger. Good Luck.

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Haybaler

03-31-2000 05:52:15

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Re: Re: Baler jammed in reply to Fudd@Work, 03-30-2000 19:00:45

Good call Fudd I forgot all about that. Good call on the safety. These things will (as said before) HURT YOU.

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B.C.

03-30-2000 05:58:07

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Re: Baler jammed in reply to Drawbar, 03-29-2000 20:38:00

You should also get the JD parts book if you haven't already. That'll help.

Sounds like you need to check out the plunger and its track, which is what the back and forth thing is. Be sure when you get done that the knifes (plunger and stationary thing) are sharp and lined up like it says in the book.

I'm guessing, but what might have happened is that something blocked the plunger or the thing got overloaded and then the clutch slipped. Sometimes people don't adjust clutches correctly. Maybe whoever had it backed off the clutch pack load so as to not shear flywheel pins so much.

The Deere dealer should be able to get you what parts you need. My guess is, they won't be all that expensive for what you seem to need.

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Haybaler

03-30-2000 06:34:02

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Re: Re: Baler jammed in reply to B.C., 03-30-2000 05:58:07

Check the knives on the plunger sometimes they can get out of line and bind. If you have to pull the plunger you will have to take out two plates on the side of the rear bale chamber to get them out. They are @ 12" long and 6" wide and have raised portions . They are mounted to the side with stovehead bolts. Be careful with these because they are hard to find, if in bad shape will have to be fabricated. Let us know what you find and good luck. HB

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drawbar

03-30-2000 17:39:53

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Re: Re: Re: Baler jammed in reply to Haybaler, 03-30-2000 06:34:02

thanks B.C. and Haybaler. didn't even know anything about a "knife" in there. Both your advice sound right on track. i will check out per your advice. Haybaler, yes i saw the bottom panel with the three raised ramps. the panel is rusty but i think i can save it, if i have to remove to get the slide out. Also, just in back of that panel is a TOP panel that's mounted in front on each side to a left and right strap with slot (bolts were turned tight at this slot mounting) and at the rear it's mounted to a left & right curved cast arm bracket. Also, this top panel is held down with those left & right tension cranks and large springs on each side. Someone had the tension cranked down tight all the way and those front mounting bolts were cranked full tight also. There is no way that top panel could slide up & to the rear, in those front slotted brackets. Am I wrong, or is that panel designed to slide back & up, if bale pushes it ? Could that be the reason there was big load on baler? A bale jammed into this top panel? Are you calling those two big fingers that scoop the hay into the slide path, knives? I don't see anything that looks like knives. Also, I have a O.M. on order, where would i get a parts manual? I'm amazed at this machine and am looking forward to getting it working. will keep in touch. thks again

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Haybaler

03-31-2000 05:59:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler jammed in reply to drawbar, 03-30-2000 17:39:53

The knives are mounted with one on the plunger face on the left side (facing rear of machine) with the matching knife on the side of bale chamber. The two fingers that pack are just that, packing fingers. Yes you can overload a baler by trying to have cranks, which set your bale density, too tight. Fudd may have hit it on the head with the bale stop (ie pull the needles all the way rearward). By the way it has already been stated to watch yourself. This thing can and will eat you if it gets a chance. By all means get a owners manual and a parts book. Got mine from a JD dealership. Good Luck. HB Oh yeah one more thing the plates that I was talking about before are on the side, not top and bottom, at the rear of bale throat.

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jerrya

03-31-2000 23:21:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler jammed in reply to Haybaler, 03-31-2000 05:59:38

Buy you a parts book and an operators book both.The parts book has wonderful pictures to help you understand what you read in the operators book.jerrya in Indiana.

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hitchpin

03-29-2000 21:52:44

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Re: Baler jammed in reply to Drawbar, 03-29-2000 20:38:00

is the tunnel rusted inside ?

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