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John Deere 16 Foot Disc

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skyharborcowboy

02-06-2008 18:07:02




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Can you guys give me a model number and any other information on this disc?

Thanks,

Joe

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Lord only knows if I did that right! Now all of you will too!

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skyharborcowboy

03-03-2008 16:16:29




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Here it is on the trailer.

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Joe



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skyharborcowboy

03-03-2008 14:48:06




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
I finally got the disc home on Saturday. We had to take the gangs off to get it up on the trailer. We couldnt get the tires up the ramp without the discs pulling the tires off of the ramps as the discs would hit the ramp no matter what we tried. It took a lot of work to break loose the 12 bolts required (we had to cold chisel one nut off) and then had to pound 30 years of rust loose on the (4) one 1" bolts that ran through about 7 inches worth of spacers in the center pivots! That was a nightmare!

Do you happen to know if most bolts would have been Grade 5 or 8 for the pivots? I am going to just replace them all since I have them apart and the parts manual doesnt specify. They are (4) 1" Dia. x 10.5" Long and the ones that hold the straps on at the outer ends are (8) 5/8" Dia. x 7" Long.
My plan is to put to back together for now fix the other little things wrong with it (stop drill some cracks and re-weld) and use it for the summer and then tear it down next winter and re-paint/restore it.

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Joe

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Joe

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skyharborcowboy

02-17-2008 05:14:03




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 Re: tow it home in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Jim,

The call was made up there yesterday to them to take some measurements for me to see how long the disc is with the hitch removed and the gangs sets at the minimum 10 degrees. It appears like it will be close but I think that is the way we are going to do it anyway and just take the chance because it will be a lot less work then taking the gangs off. Hopefully it will near the 8.5' limit!

Joe

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Tx Jim

02-17-2008 04:16:57




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 Re: tow it home in reply to Randy-IA, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Joe if towing it is out you could put it on a trailer sideways and remove the hitch. This would be easier than dis-assembly of gangs. Jim



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skyharborcowboy

02-16-2008 08:24:03




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 Re: tow it home in reply to Larry in GA., 02-06-2008 18:07:02  

Tx Jim said: (quoted from post at 07:04:34 02/16/08) Joe why not re-pack wheel brgs,get a spare tire ot two and tow it home. The largest tandem disk I've towed was a JD 335 27'9" that I pulled 250 miles. Nuting to it. Jim


I have thought about that myself (I have exacty 250 miles that I have to go myself) but there are some spots along the way that the only way I see home are some major highways and I dont know how kindly the police will look upon that in a big city. The other alternative is through some very windy canyon roads where if someone happens to be coming the other way I dont think there would be room for two.

Here in Arizona I am not sure how the laws work but I know if I tow a plow behind a tractor with a SMV triangle on it it can basically be as wide as the county as I have witnessed that around me with no worries. Now if I tried to moved that same equipment behind my truck I dont know how the laws would impact me. I have asked a couple of the implement dealers in the area and they shrugged their shoulders so I dont know what the answer is.

Joe

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Tx Jim

02-16-2008 04:04:34




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 Re: tow it home in reply to Tx Jim, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Joe why not re-pack wheel brgs,get a spare tire ot two and tow it home. The largest tandem disk I've towed was a JD 335 27'9" that I pulled 250 miles. Nuting to it. Jim



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skyharborcowboy

02-15-2008 13:53:39




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
I need to clarify. The max width carried on an max width 8 foot trailer is
8' 6" in Arizona anyway without a commercial drivers license according to DPS Highway Patrol.

Joe



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skyharborcowboy

02-15-2008 13:41:51




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Well guys the PLOT thickens! I drove up yesterday to pick up the disk. Guess what, at the 23 degree setting the disk is 13' 9" wide and the disc spacing is at 10.75" so at at the 10 degree setting the disc will be roughly 16' wide (Extended width) as the owner claimed (he also claimed that it was only 9' wide to haul it home, argh! ). Now how this jives with the information contained in the owners manual and the parts manual is beyond me. The situation as it turned out for me was that I had to leave the disc up there because we didn't have time to narrow it (no tools no lighting) to break it down enough for me for me to make it legal to haul it on a trailer 8' 6" Max unless I have a commercial drivers license and get a route approved and pay for a permit! What a pain in the rear. Now I have to figure out if I can just pivot the gangs out of the way towards the center the next time I go back up there or if I have to completely remove them!

Joe

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JoshuaGA

02-11-2008 18:48:37




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
That thing must be related to our Bush Hog heavy harrow. 12' at a stretch, heavy, rides on 3 bearings per gang, runs 24"-26" discs, and takes all the power you put to it. Strains 95 horse, pulled it up a hill in cotton stalks on very worn discs and like to have stalled the tractor. Even 120 horses isn't enough in some ground. Hope you have a man of a tractor for that one.

JoshuaGA



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skyharborcowboy

02-11-2008 13:41:55




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
I forgot to add that the Operators Manual suggests a John Deere (of course) 4320 to 5020 for this sized plow.

Joe



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skyharborcowboy

02-11-2008 13:35:54




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
John Deere contacted me again today and confirmed that I do indeed have a Series 4000 12ft 7" 28 Disc Model that weighs in at a whooping 4360 pounds!
Series 3000

Minimum Gang Angle 10 Degrees Maximum 23 Degrees

Width Disc Spacing No. of Discs Weight

12' 9" 32 3880

13.5" 9 36 4110

15 9 40 4381

16 9 44 4801

Series 4000

Minimum Gang Angle 10 Degrees Maximum 23 Degrees

12' 7" 10.75" 28 4360

16'1" 10.75 36 5015

17'9" 10.75 40 5340

Some other interesting tidbits. Greaseless greasable bearings are utilized. Gang bolt torque is 1100 ft/lbs. Cylinder stroke required is 8 inches. Tire size is 11.00L-15 8Ply 40-42 PSI.

I guess that about covers most of that subject. If anyone ever needs more then that just get a hold of me.

Joe

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skyharborcowboy

02-08-2008 19:23:09




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Well John Deere has confirmed that it is either a 3000 or a 4000 series. They were produced from 1970-1974. John Deere is not sure which and I am beginning to seriously doubt that it is indeed 16 ft wide. I am leaning more like 12' 7" as that is the smaller of the models but the parts manual only specifies 8 discs minimum per gang on some of them and does not specify a disc count and/or specify spacing on some of the other disc call outs.

I did find another disc that was confirmed to be 21' ft long and it had a type number of H4DOD so I am thinking that the LAST "D" may denote the length and since the one I purchased has an "A" I am at the shorter end of the spectrum. I will follow up when I pick up the unit later this week if the roads permit. I have to drive up some dirt mountain roads that were under a foot of snow this past week.
Sorry for all of the updates but since the information is so hard to come by maybe someone in the future will find this useful.

Joe

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skyharborcowboy

02-07-2008 17:57:09




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Just found a photo of a TW and it is not a TW or a TWA.

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Joe



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skyharborcowboy

02-07-2008 14:57:21




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
That was in response to Bill's Post. I havent found anything on the TW plow so I have no clue on that one.

Joe



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skyharborcowboy

02-07-2008 14:54:48




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Here are couple of more photos and an update.

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Thanks for your replies! I feel that you are right (my only question is that parts book shows a minimum of 8 discs per gang [if I read the parts book correctly] and this one has but 7) but I havent been able to get confirmation from John Deere. I have been emailing the parts and ag departments all day Ag helpful so far they are trying to find out. Parts well they tell me that I can only order parts from them. No kidding, how do I order parts if they cant even tell me what parts I have to order! I have found this out for sure.

John Deere

Type H14DOA

Serial Number 001173H

Made In Canada

If anyone knows how to break that down I would appreciate the help and I am sure John Deere Corp would too as it isnt in there system!

Joe

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Silver Pig

02-07-2008 06:29:05




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
TW series plowing disk.
It also does not appear to be close to being 16 feet wide.



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Tx Jim

02-07-2008 03:53:00




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 Re not a JD 210 in reply to burnetma, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Bill your suggestion is closer than calling it a 210 as 100,200 & 300 series JD tandems have rounded no square corners on main frames. So it's definitly not a 200 series. Jim



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Bill-NNY

02-06-2008 21:26:04




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Looks like a 3000 or 4000 series double offset, wheel type, disk harrow,,, PC1203. I found the parts book on the JD parts website. It kindof looked like the style disk that they advertised with the 6030. I would have called it a plowing disk. HTH
Bill



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skyharborcowboy

02-06-2008 21:06:30




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
I found another photo of an almost identical harrow just larger that is said to be 21 Ft wide and it is model H4DOD from the description given. I cant find any more information beyond that so I am still am looking for information.

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Joe



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JMS/.MN

02-06-2008 18:57:41




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
I have a 210 series disc- this is way heavier. Look in the center area of the disc for a nameplate and model number.



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msb

02-06-2008 18:51:34




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 Re: John Deere 16 Foot Disc in reply to skyharborcowboy, 02-06-2008 18:07:02  
Kind of hard to tell from your pictures . Looks to be maybe a 210 or 300 series depending on the size of the blades and the blade spacing . It was first of models that Deere decided to put brakes on.LOL.(joke) Those spring loaded scrapers made pulling those models a load on any tractor. I bought the first 220 single fold disk my dealer sold. Bought it sight unseen. What a mistake. Had to buy a bigger horse to pull it, a 21 ft, model. Those cone or semi cone blades were far too aggresive and would pop out of the ground if you tried to make even a little slow turn. Last Deere disk for me.

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