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karl f

04-06-2008 13:24:24




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all i am familiar with are plates. i know of checkrow but not how it works and just the name "cyclo air." what other types are there and how do they work? i saw an ebay ad for a vintage flyer on IH "rotary valve" and had no idea what they were even talking about.
the manual i have for a checkrow is ragged, mising the vital info on that process, lists other ways the planter can be set--why would you want to clump corn in a hill?

the newest planter we have has plastic plates, i always thought that was modern!

thanks
karl f

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Farmallb

04-06-2008 14:41:47




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to karl f, 04-06-2008 13:24:24  
I have a pull type plate planter made in the and twentys, thirtys. if not earlier. The closest it will plant in the row is a foot, the closest it will make rows is 38in. It is in perfect shape with fert hoppers, and ill plant 8 acres this spring with it



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JMS/.MN

04-06-2008 14:20:18




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to karl f, 04-06-2008 13:24:24  
paul gave a really good description of planter technology over the past 30 plus years. 7000 came out in "74, IH Cyclo about the same time. I think the 7000 was an adaptation of some French technology. You mentioned "checkrow". Older planters, in the days before herbicides, were set up to plant several seeds per hill, with the hills typically spaced 40 inches apart, and the trip mechanism was controlled by a wire with a know every 40 inches. Rows were 40 inches apart- typical width of the horse that pulled the cultivator. This "checked", or square pattern allowed for cultivating across the row to rip out weeds between the hills. End rows would be drilled or hill-dropped. Hill-dropped was several (2,3,4) seeds per hill with poorly controlled spacing between hills. Drilled would be individual seeds spaced out continuously in the row. Plant population with checkrow system maxes at about 15000 per acre- way too low for today"s hybrids and yields.

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JMS/.MN

04-06-2008 14:22:20




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to JMS/.MN, 04-06-2008 14:20:18  
...a knot every 40 inches....



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paul

04-06-2008 13:59:04




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to karl f, 04-06-2008 13:24:24  
Others are going to know a lot more than me, I have a JD finger pickup (JD 7000).

JD came out with the 1200 series planters, which had some sort of singulation system. I would assume an early version of the 7000 system. Never looked inside of one.

The finger pickup has a vertical wheel with little fingers on it, they clamp & release. They clamp on a kernal of corn, rotate to the other side then release it to drop down the seed tube.

Can dump any size seed in the hopper, & within reason it will plant the same population you set, and no need to change plates, or get the same size seed. Don't need to clean out the boxes if you change seed size....

The air planters use a drum with holes in it to pick up seed - they stick to the hole - then the seed can be blown down a tube to the row unit. These took a while to get right, IHC the 400, 500 series didn't do so well, the 800/900 was ok, took unitl the 1200 series until they got seed spacing and all to work pretty good. I'm not so familiar.....

AC has an early air system, White still has a very popular air system that worked better sooner than CaseIH version.

JD also now does some air, starting with the 7200 series of planters.

They do take a lot of air, quite a fan, so you need a pto pump or a good hyd output on your tractor to run the fan. It is another thing to go wrong. But it works good on a bigger & bigger planter, so is the future of planters.

It is very hard to beat a JD 7000 finger planter for accuracy. Each row does take a little matinence, so if you get to a 24 row planter, the air planter with the central system is easier - more complicated, but only 1 real complicated part rather than 24 semi-complicated.... ;)

Nothing wrong with a plate planter either, just have to fuss with all those different plates for different sized seed. These days the seed companies are perhaps not so fussy with grading seed corn, as there are fewer plate planters out there....

--->Paul

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flying belgian

04-06-2008 19:30:45




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to paul, 04-06-2008 13:59:04  
Have to disagree with you on the IHC 400. If you know the general concept of the air planter then you can realise that it can plant almost 100 percent acurate if you drive slow. just imagine you are driving 1/2 mile per hour. Then each seed would be all the way out of the seed tube and in the ground by the time the next seed started. I realize you need to drive faster then that but you get my point. I have a 6 row 400 and plant between 3 and 31/2 mph. It is very acurate on spacing but that does not make it a good planter as the depth control sucks.

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paul

04-06-2008 20:09:24




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to flying belgian, 04-06-2008 19:30:45  
Folks with hills don't like the 400 series. Don't like to get off level so much.

At regular planting speeds, you can pick out which corn fields were planted with an older cyclo, and which were planted with a plate or finger planter. Seed spacing is pretty erratic, tho seeds per acre will be right on.

'Here' no matter what color tractor you drove, you eventually were pulling a green JD 7000 planter. Nothing else could beat it.

Until the Case 1200 planter came out, now those who can afford near new planters are pulling red Case 1200 planters, no matter what color tractor ya have. I've only seen one or 2 of the new JD type planters. White is more popular around here than those new JD.

--->Paul

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IaGary

04-06-2008 15:03:53




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to paul, 04-06-2008 13:59:04  
Paul the 1200 series of JD was the same finger pickup as the 7000 series.

Been using those fingers from 1969 in the 1294, then in the 7000, and now in kinze.

We have replaced only 2 fingers and about 4 springs in all of those years.

Gary



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paul

04-06-2008 20:03:16




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to IaGary, 04-06-2008 15:03:53  
Really? Did JD have a different type of seed pickup between the 494 series & the 1200 series, or did they go to the same fingers right off? Dad & I (way back when) looked at an older style JD non-plate planter at an auction, but we just didn't know what type of pickup it had so we shied away.

--->Paul



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Iagary

04-07-2008 04:08:39




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to paul, 04-06-2008 20:03:16  
Paul I should have said they used the same type of finger in the platless 1294. It wasn't the exact same unit but had the same type of finger.

That was the first finger pickup for JD.


Gary



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dansuper27

04-29-2008 19:43:54




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to Iagary, 04-07-2008 04:08:39  
I have the JD 80 planter which is also a finger planter. Works good for me.



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JMS/.MN

04-06-2008 22:41:35




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to paul, 04-06-2008 20:03:16  
494 was a plate planter. 7000 was a better machine than the 1240-50-60 JD, the first JD plateless planter. Checking parts books would tell the difference regarding finger pickup units, but there is no doubt that the 7000 was the one that revolutionized planting. That is why everyone else except IH copied it. IH went with the air planter system developed by Claude Loesch, from Pearl Lake, MN- near St. Cloud. He and his brother were very inventive.

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dwrk

04-07-2008 06:20:08




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 Re: corn planter types in reply to JMS/.MN, 04-06-2008 22:41:35  
Everybody was planting with 7000s around here when we traded ours in on a White (6100). The improvement in accuracy was amazing, even over 7000s with the units rebuilt and tested by the trained planter techs. Of course most of the guys with JDs couldn't be seen using anything not green so they're mostly using 7200s now, they're still commenting on how accurate the Whites are.



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