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Animal

04-09-2008 15:23:45




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Do any of you guys use these? When are you supposed to use them, after plowing or discing or in between? What do you like about them or dislike about them? Thanks in advance for any info.




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Milo grower

04-10-2008 13:35:16




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
We pulled single row drag type cultipacker over many a acre of irrigated milo on beds or even dryland after a hard rain to break crust and got it up just fine with far less damage than a rotary hoe or cost to replant. Just got to do it at the right time not after it's up. A lifesaver when you need it but they won't work in mud! These others are talking about soil finishers not just a cultipacker. Used single row packers behind chisel plows or behind rod weeder on beds before planting to bust clods. Most here are now gone cut up for scrap but some still use one. Worst thing I hated about them was they were heavy and replacing rings or end bearings was not a fun job. Seen one idiots hired hand pulling one way too fast down a rocky road and he had a pile scrap metal when done lol. Busted rings all over the road! So one on 3 point hitch is best if you have to travel.

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Don-Wi

04-10-2008 10:56:36




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
We always pull a pair behind the grain drill to bust up the clumps and smooth out the fields. Either that or we'll go behind it with a spike tooth drag, but that involves another operation and fuel.

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Donovan from Wisocnsin



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higgins

04-10-2008 09:01:14




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
They would break the necks of beans if a rain comes along at the wrong time and volume and makes a surface hardpan.



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Allan In NE

04-10-2008 09:54:26




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to higgins, 04-10-2008 09:01:14  
For sure,

They aren't worth a tinker's da*n for anything else except following that plow. I've tried. Repeatedly. Just doesn't work.

But, oh mama! Makin' a seedbed behind the plow and ahead of the planter is where they take the prize.

Allan



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tim[in]

04-10-2008 02:05:46




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
the one with the seeder is just that a forage seeder. Without anything but the rollers is called a cultipacker. with the spring tooth harrow between two sets of rollers is called a cultimulcher. The newer and heavier ones are great for crushing clods, but the older ones only seemed to work if the clods were fairly moist and if it was then you didnt need it since they were too light. but they were also used sometimes to firm the seed bed to bring up or trap moisture into the soil.Depends on your soil especially.

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Fordfarmer

04-09-2008 19:56:19




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
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around here, a cultipacker is either the roller (single or double) or the cultipacker/seeder. Sometimes just called a Brillion, although that's a brand name, and they make a bunch of stuff, not just cultipackers. Much more accurate/even rate of seeding than just about anything else, and a higher germanation rate for small seed than using the grass seed box on a grain drill. Those small seeds only like to be in about 1/2". I just got a new 12' last month- it replaced a 10' that my Grandpa bought nearly 30 years ago. Old one still worked, but was getting to be less reliable, and now I can tandem hitch the cultipacker with my grain drill (both 12'). New, they are over $1000/foot, even before you add options.

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Fordfarmer

04-10-2008 14:28:38




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-09-2008 19:56:19  
If the link works, it will take you to Brillion's web page. Take your pcik of pulverizers (cultipackers), pulvimulchers (cultimulchers), seeders, etc.



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Spook

04-09-2008 19:27:20




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
I have never seen one with a seeder attached to it.



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Fred T. Hart Jr.

04-09-2008 18:38:48




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
I have an old 8ft. Brillion Cultipacker, its in kinda rough shape, bearing wise, but still does a good job of packing ground when you sow grass seed.

They are wonderful tools, for planting grass seed.

Mine has been on the road so much, people borrowing it, that I have thought about putting a license plate on it.



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bradk

04-09-2008 16:01:59




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
OK,

We use it in SE MN for small grains only.The field has to be fall plowed for best results.Run through with a feild cultivator(digger) with harrow/mulcher,drag if needed,drill in the grain,broadcast the alfalfa(if desired)at same time,run culti-packer through.

Good implement to have,no dislikes here.(except the occasional bearing fail)



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James Howell

04-09-2008 16:00:58




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
I use a Brillion Sure Stand Seeder(cultipacker).

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Gathered information from the web about preparing a seedbed for planting Cheyenne Bermuda grass seed.

Used a disk harrow to till soil and kill a few weeds that did not get sprayed.

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After about 2 or 3 passes with the disk harrow, I came back with a tire drag pulled behind the tractor to help fill holes, level and smooth the surface.

Used the cultipacker to firm the seedbed before planting small-seeded Cheyenne Bermuda.

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Spread the seed with a Herd broadcast spreader.

Used the cultipacker again to "pack" the small-seeded Cheyenne Bermuda to obtain sufficient seed to soil contact.

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Although my cultipacker is older than Methuselah, it worked just fine.

Hope this helps.

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Fordfarmer

04-10-2008 06:21:35




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to James Howell, 04-09-2008 16:00:58  
Just curious... Why broadcast when you have the seed box on your Brillion?



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James Howell

04-10-2008 10:29:43




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-10-2008 06:21:35  
The Cheyenne Bermuda grass seed is extremely small and very expensive ( approx. $190 per bag ).

The seeder boxes are both functional, but controlling the drop rate would have been impossible and very wasteful in its current condition.

I totally rebuilt the Herd broadcast spreader and got the decals from Herd.

One decal gave the flow/drop rates and settings.

The Brillion Sure Stand Seeder was bought primarily for its cultipacking ability.

Thanks for asking.

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J Schwiebert

04-10-2008 03:36:23




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to James Howell, 04-09-2008 16:00:58  
Thanks for the pictures. When a lot of seed for hay is sown here it is mixed in with the liquid fertilizer and then spread on the field and then you run the cultimulcher over it. I have never seen that brand of baler at work. Round balers are fairly rare here. So is hay.



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James Howell

04-10-2008 10:50:12




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-10-2008 03:36:23  
Always like to share pictures with folks on these forums; as the saying goes "a picture is worth a thousand words".

We did alot of research on the web before we bought our balers.

The Krone is a fixed chamber baler; there are no belts.

Any hay that is picked up and fed into the fixed chamber gets wrapped.

We walked the meadow after baling and there was not enough hay left on the ground to make half a small square bale.

I got a late, third cutting in November on this meadow.

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The grass was only 6-8" tall, but the fixed-chamber baler picked it up and wrapped it.

The only grass left on the ground was what the JD 640 rake missed.

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Thanks for asking.

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tim[in]

04-10-2008 01:57:22




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to James Howell, 04-09-2008 16:00:58  
Love that building you have. My guess ,you are in the south? The roof looks fairly flat . Too flat for us northeners with heavy snows sometime. I need to build some machinery storage this year and there are adds for 30X40X12' erected for $10,500.oo i've thought about.



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James Howell

04-10-2008 11:04:39




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to tim[in], 04-10-2008 01:57:22  
Thanks for the compliment on our "shop". We added the "awning" about two years ago.

Got tired of working on tractors and equipment out in the "elements".

Right now the "awning" is covering a JD #16 Tilting trailer, JD 640 hay rake (pictured in post below), 6 JD tractors (48A,39B,40B,46A,51M,52A),2 Krone balers, and a Ford 2810 tractor.

We have problems when the wind "kicks up" and sometimes lifts the "awning".

We are located in NE Texas on my grandfather's farm.

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tim[in]

04-10-2008 18:33:00




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to James Howell, 04-10-2008 11:04:39  
Ok . I thought it was a stand alone shop. Still looks great and makes me envious.



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J Schwiebert

04-09-2008 17:15:01




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to James Howell, 04-09-2008 16:00:58  
What do you do with the grass?



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James Howell

04-09-2008 17:51:59




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-09-2008 17:15:01  
This is our hay meadow.

We bale hay for my favorite wife"s horses.

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What she doesn"t use we usually give to our neighbor.

We usually get 3 cuttings each season.

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Thanks for asking.

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J Schwiebert

04-09-2008 15:54:02




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
Yes, No, Sometimes are when you use them. There are also cultimulchers which have the packer wheels on each end and a springtooth in the middle. Then up here on the sand they have a type of cultipacker known as a crowfoot roller. It has a slightly different design to the packer wheel. Both are used the last time over to help smash smaller clods or in the case of the cultimulcher we use it when we sow alphalfa which is like every 5-6 years and maybe not again. Or they are used if too much moisture is getting away and you want to compress the soil. Does that help?

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J Schwiebert

04-09-2008 15:55:27




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-09-2008 15:54:02  
What Allen just posted a picture of is known here as a cultimulcher, not a cultipacker.



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pair-a-dice farms

04-09-2008 17:25:56




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-09-2008 15:55:27  
Depends on what part of the country you are. In My part we call them cultipacker also.



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Allan In NE

04-09-2008 17:31:57




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to pair-a-dice farms, 04-09-2008 17:25:56  
Yep,

Splittin' hairs. Believe me, that heavy sucker is a packer. :>)

Allan



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jose bagge

04-09-2008 17:16:52




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to J Schwiebert, 04-09-2008 15:55:27  
What do they call the implement that is basicly the back row of what is pictured, with every other "roller" looking like a giant sprocket?
How would this do for smoothing/ packing a riding arena do you think? What's a decent price for a used one, about 15 foot?



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paul

04-09-2008 17:35:09




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to jose bagge, 04-09-2008 17:16:52  
Just the rollers, main frame & 2 wings - is commoner here. Not the mulcher part or 2 rows.

These go for $150-250 here, often need to cut your own wood bearings & good to go.

--->Paul



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Allan In NE

04-09-2008 17:22:59




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to jose bagge, 04-09-2008 17:16:52  
$2K for a used one.

Allan



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Allan In NE

04-09-2008 15:50:59




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 15:23:45  
In my book, they are hands down the absolute best field implement ever invented. The 3 P's: Plow, pack and plant.

Allan

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HobbyFarmer71

04-13-2008 07:21:30




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Allan In NE, 04-09-2008 15:50:59  
Hi Allen.

I"ve never used that style of packer before, but I do like your 3-P"s rule. I do have a few questions for you. Could you explain your Plow, Pack & Plant process a bit better. When and what are you plowing. (Late fall/spring/summer; corn/wheat stubble etc.) How much after you plow do you pack the ground and prepare the seedbed. What do you normally plant following this process?

The reason I"m asking these questions are because I bought 60 acres that has been in my family for almost 100 years now, and I"m going to start farming it next year and I am interested in ideas that will save both time and money.

Thank you in advance for any information you share with me.

HobbyFarmer71

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Randy-IA

04-10-2008 14:36:37




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Allan In NE, 04-09-2008 15:50:59  
Not to hard to tell where you've been with one of those ! By the way , don't you folks over there like trees ? ;) ...Randy



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Don-Wi

04-10-2008 11:00:24




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Allan In NE, 04-09-2008 15:50:59  
That's what we call a cultimulcher. The cultipacker is just the wheels. Called crushers around here.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Allan In NE

04-10-2008 15:00:45




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Don-Wi, 04-10-2008 11:00:24  
"Here" what you have is called a "roller", namely, a "beet roller".

Allan



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Animal

04-09-2008 17:31:56




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Allan In NE, 04-09-2008 15:50:59  
I bought one today that looks like yours Allan, but its a John Deere. All new bearings and ready to go, I paid $500 for it, when it was first described to me I thought it was a Brillion Seeder, we have one of those that is older than the hills but it still does a nice job with alf alfa, but I just could not pass this cultipacker up, too nice not to own, I am going to try your 3 P method. thanks to all for your comments..... Animal

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Allan In NE

04-09-2008 17:47:35




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Animal, 04-09-2008 17:31:56  
Dual your tractor up and remember never, ever turn with it in the lowered postition. Knocks the bearings out of 'em big time.

Lift before ya start your turn and the bearings will last ya a lifetime.

You're gonna love the thing. Instant seedbed from plowed ground.

Allan

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nw_bearcat

04-10-2008 16:12:57




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 Re: Cultipacker? in reply to Allan In NE, 04-09-2008 17:47:35  
Depends on the soil I guess. W/ the clay we have in N. Mo, and S. IA, you 'bout need a disk in there somewhere to split the bricks up if you've plowed it. I've never been a fan of packing down what I just spent so much time/money to dig up, but then I'm not a big fan of tillage anywhere.



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