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New Holland 650 round baler help!

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mgm

05-01-2008 06:13:00




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I just purchased a 650 roound baler made in 1991. I have read over the operator manuel and still have some ?. First there was no bale command with the unit is this needed? It says it is a auto tie what does that exactly mean? Is this a good baler any problem areas? Any thing else concernthis baler would help? I notice the pickup does not go to the ground even after turning the crank is there another lock device on that pickup? thank you for your assistance

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mgm

05-02-2008 05:47:31




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 hey formly PAMike in reply to mgm, 05-01-2008 06:13:00  
So it is my understanding that with auto (which I have) I do not need the alarm or the bale command system correct? Therefore how do I contrroal the tie and the ejectoin form the baler? Is this control manuelly by the tension of ? and is the baler ejection from the hydralic system



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r john johnson

05-02-2008 07:09:19




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 Re: hey formly PAMike in reply to mgm, 05-02-2008 05:47:31  
If you have determined that you have the Autowrap then that simplifies matters. The system works as follows. When the bale reaches a preset size, which is adjustable, a mechanism trips a clutch that starts the worm gear box for the twine tie. The twine arms drop down to the center of the bale for several wraps, moves outward, pauses for several wraps then move to the fully retracted position which triggers the knives to cut the twine. All this happens without the operator doing ANYTHING. The buzzer on this system buzzes when the tie arms start and again when the arms finish the tie cycle. The first buzz tells you to stop the tractor and the second buzz tells you the bale is tied and is ready to eject. IF you want to look back and watch the indicator arm for the tie cycle, then you do not need the buzzer. The buzzer is only telling you what the baler is doing. I bale with a cabbed tractor and cannot hear the mechanism start to tie, and I put up enough hay I do not want to have to watch every bale to see when it is tying, so I rely on my buzzer. To ME this is much easier, though your results may vary.

To eject the bale, you must wait until the bale is tied, open the tailgate with the tractor hydraulics and once the bale rolls clear on the ramp, close the tailgate with the hydraulics. There is an indicator to show that the gate has latched. This is explained in the manual.

FWIW

The Bale Command is a small computer inside a box, with an LCD display and a bunch of buttons. Sensors on the baler send inputs to this "brain" which sends signals back to operate the twine tie. I am not familiar with this system, but as I understand, you MUST have the monitor to make the twine function.

HTH

John

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mgm

05-02-2008 07:14:20




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 Re: hey formly PAMike in reply to r john johnson, 05-02-2008 07:09:19  
so it sounds to me, buying the alarm system is worth the money ?maybe it depends on the cost? Thank you I was worried because i did not recieve any electrical boxes with the unit thinking at the time that it could not operate without them



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kyhayman

05-01-2008 13:59:41




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to mgm, 05-01-2008 06:13:00  
Crank handle all the way out to lower pickup and put your foot on the small wheel that helps it follow the terrain and push. Mine sticks a little every spring. Some PB blaster on the piot points usually cures it.

Auto tie/auto wrap does not need the monitor box. My dad and I each have a 650 and I never use my monitor and take his off when I use his baler.



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mgm

05-01-2008 14:25:48




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to kyhayman, 05-01-2008 13:59:41  
I am a liitle confused. Is the monitor the same as the bale command and or the bale alarm



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Formerly PaMike

05-01-2008 17:06:18




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to mgm, 05-01-2008 14:25:48  
ok, there were 2 systems available for wrapping the bale. You have one or the other, but not both. The bale command system and the autowrap system. BOTH systems use a "monitor" or "bale alarm". The bale command system MUST have the "monitor" or "bale alarm" to function. If you dont have it the system wont work. On the autowrap system you can use the "monitor" or "bale alarm" or you dont have to.

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mgm

05-02-2008 03:57:40




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  hello Formly PAMIKE in reply to Formerly PaMike, 05-01-2008 17:06:18  
I have the auto wrap system therefore i do not need the bale alarm nor the bale command system correct? I do i control the auto tie and ejection system or does it tie by it self when it hits the stop and ejects when i open the hydralic system? thank you for helping with my ?



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Formerly PaMike

05-02-2008 12:04:26




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 Re: hello Formly PAMIKE in reply to mgm, 05-02-2008 03:57:40  
Correct. You dont need the bale alarm unless you want it. YOu can set the bale size by moving a stop. After you adjust bale size just start baling. When the bale gets to the right size the twine arms will drop ( you might hear a loud click noise) and a little sign will hinge down that says "stop". You stop will it is done wrapping. WHen it is done the stop sign will hinge up and it is done. You open the tailgate and dump the bale. Close the tailgate and start baling again.

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3020jd2955

05-01-2008 13:10:26




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to mgm, 05-01-2008 06:13:00  
The electrical hookup could be for the auto-wrap monitor, not neccesarily for Bale Command, both systems require the electrical hookup between the baler and tractor. If the baler is auto-wrap it should have a decal on the twine box hood saying so.



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mgm

05-01-2008 13:28:58




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to 3020jd2955, 05-01-2008 13:10:26  
it says 650 new holland auto tie. Can I bale it without any electric hookup aleast till I find the bale command ect. Thanks



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r john johnson

05-01-2008 07:10:46




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to mgm, 05-01-2008 06:13:00  
I'll try to help. You need to determine which tie system your baler came with. If it is Autowrap them I think there is a big decal on the twine box cover that says so. If it doesn't say, look over your twine tie system. Autowrap uses a worm gear box to drive the twine arms. It is driven by a belt on the right hand side of the machine. There are different size pulleys to obtain different amounts of twine wrapped on the bale. The bale command uses an electric actuator to drive the twine arms. Look at the pictures in the manual and compare to your baler.

Now the bad news. Both systems need a monitor. You "CAN" get by with an autowrap without the monitor, but you have to watch closely when the baler is almost full. If you miss the start of the tie cycle you will merrily keep baling until you realize and stop, get off the tractor and manually trip the tie cycle. If you miss then you might overfill the baler and cause damage. The monitor is just a buzzer and doesn't cost much to get new from the dealer, at least the one for my 664 didn't. The monitors from the 660 and 664 are different, but work with either baler. Baling with the monitor is SOOOOO much easier.

If you have bale command then you MUST have the monitor for the baler to function. Tell the person/dealer that you bought it from that it is not complete and you want the monitor. Someone is probably being lazy, and does not want to go to the work of removing it from the tractor that was previously running the baler. If all else fails, look in salvage yards for a monitor.

As for why the pickup does not drop, check to see if the owner had a hydraulic lift for the pickup. There will be a small cylinder on the left hand side, under the front shield, hooked to the lifting mechanism. There would be 3 hydraulic hoses, not two, to plug into the tractor. If there is no hydraulic lift, check the linkages to be sure nothing is binding.

HTH

John

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Formerly PaMike

05-01-2008 13:43:46




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 Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! in reply to r john johnson, 05-01-2008 07:10:46  
What johnson said is pretty much dead on correct. In my opinion you dont need the monitor for the autowrap. I never use mine. I can hear the loud "click" when the autowrap starts. PLus there is a little sign that pops out to say "stop". Its a matter of preferance. As far as the pickup. Check on the hydraulic lift like he said. Also, there were two different lift setups made. An early and a later. Get your dealer to check your serial number then measure the length of the threads on the handle. They may have put the wrong handle on your machine. I did notice on mine that there really insnt a ton of extra down travel in the linkage....

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mgm

05-01-2008 12:39:44




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 hey John in reply to r john johnson, 05-01-2008 07:10:46  
Do all the balers come with the bale command. I see a electric connection by the PTO shaft. Can i run the system without the bale command



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David Hunt

05-14-2008 17:27:10




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 Re: hey John in reply to mgm, 05-01-2008 12:39:44  
John, i have a brand new alrm system for a 650 new holland. let me know if your interested.Dave



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