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wagner loader for 641

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testing123

05-03-2008 10:31:20




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I'm now 2 weeks into buying a '56 640 with a backhoe and a wagner FEL. The loader arms were bent so the seller was going to replace them at his expense. After several delays, this morning he reported that he bought the wrong replacment--that it came off a 8 or 9N and won't fit the 640. He is offering to give me my deposit back or give me a big price reduction to take the tractor "as is".
The seller is a good guy who is now getting frustrated and too busy to finish this up. Is it likey that I will be able to find a replacment loader and arms for this beast? What kind of discount should I get if I take it "as is" ?

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Billy NY

05-04-2008 07:52:03




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 Re: wagner loader for 641 in reply to testing123, 05-03-2008 10:31:20  
It's probably not a bad deal, you'll be surprised at what these old klunkers will do, I have an 800 series that had a hoe, still has a wagner WM3 or WM4 loader on it, (4) 2 way cylinders on it, that was worn out and broken, also tweaked, but I think was due to the broken areas. I welded them up with 7018 and have lifted some really heavy objects, enough to break the front end I thought, not they're not meant for this but it does tell me, even without the industrial type front end, they do hold their own. I had the tractor on a job and was using the loader to move vehicle lifts, and even picked up the one end of a new 4 post one crated up, one end on the lift gate and the other on my bucket, it should have collapsed the front end, job was for a friend, I'd have refused if it were not. Tells me 7018 is some strong material properly done.

The wagner loader is going to be prone to breakage in 2 areas, the front cross over piece under the front mount pump and right by your feet at the pedals, especially with a hoe, that is a pinch point on that frame, with the hoe cantilevered off the back, rough use will break or stress the frame there.

Take a look and see if there are any breaks, after I repaired mine the bucket stays flat.

They look old and the tubular design looks antiquated, but they were actually a strong loader, mine is 50 + years old and still on the job as worn as it is. If one arm is bent, with a torch, stick welder and grinder you could probably repair it, though I'd have a new piece of pipe bent up an duplicate what I had. Worst case both arms, or see if you can find one, they're around, not as scarce as I thought. Even then, with some modification to another type loader, where it connects to the axle may work, easier to find one that mounts to the wagner flange already there, the bottom frame is the reservoir for the hyd oil, so cutting that open and modifying could be an issue to consider.

Below is a link to the company, they don't make or service these loaders for a long time but if you look around in that site, you'll find owners manuals posted in .pdf,

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testing123

05-03-2008 11:47:46




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 Re: wagner loader for 641 in reply to testing123, 05-03-2008 10:31:20  
Paul--thanks for the advice. I paid $2800 and he was to replace the arms and anything necessary to get the bucket to lay flat on the ground. He offered $1000 discount to take it "as is". The front end and steering look/feel OK.



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PaulW_NJ

05-03-2008 10:47:48




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 Re: wagner loader for 641 in reply to testing123, 05-03-2008 10:31:20  
You"ve got to be more specific. Everything depends upon what you"re paying for the entire machine. Finding the correct arms? What are the chances of that for an old machine? You"d have a better chance finding an entire replacement loader that either will fit, or one that can be modified to fit (brackets, etc). IH loader attachments in good condition can be had for around $1000: I"d imagine a Wagner loader to be in that ballpark. Therefore I"d buy it as a tractor/backhoe without loader. If the tractor was overloaded enough to bend the arms, I"d pay close attention to the steering and front end also.

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