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Vermeer 605F - belts not moving

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TX656

05-17-2008 21:35:37




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Normally I'd like to have more facts to share before posting but...

I was fast running out of daylight today when I hooked up the PTO for the first time. I THINK all of the powered rollers, the large drum, etc. were turning but the belts were definitely NOT moving. I shut her down and checked the owner's manual but it doesn't have a trouble shooting section for 'belts not moving'. By this time it was dark.

I will begin trouble shooting tomorrow afternoon but would welcome tips on what to check first. Would 1 seized bearing on an auxillary roller stop the belts? I was thinking I'd take a large pipe wrench and try each roller. I did not have the hydraulics hooked up for this first test. Any thoughts?

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TX656

06-01-2008 20:20:19




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving - UPDATE in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
UPDATE: Raised door etc. as was suggested and belts began turning! I had read the manual over several times...as manuals go I would give it an average. There was also the pickup reel belt tensioner to engage, etc.
Anyways, it has been working great :D , 2 pastures cut and put up so far. There is one part of this machine that does not match the owner's manual. The hydraulic tensioning cylinder is not connected to any 'outside' hydraulics and therefore is not adjustable. It does however have a little tag on it that says pressure set at 1,000 PSI. Was it common to switch these units over to be permanently pressurized? There is a gauge on it but it is so clouded it is impossible to read the PSI on the ram. Think I have a catch 22. Can't replace the gauge with a readable one without letting out pressure. Doesn't seem like any hydraulic system would hold the pressure forever.

#1) Should I switch it back so I can vary the pressure? Looking for real life experience on best pressure for this model baler. Thanks guys.

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Joe(TX)

05-19-2008 09:08:02




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
If that happens to me, I open the gate untill they start moving, then shut the gate and go to work.



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TX656

05-18-2008 21:14:53




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
joe etx, (and others)

Yes, Rye and other grasses; north and west of Ft Worth. The river overflowed and flooded the land this year at apparently just the right time for these grasses (vs. the weeds). Supposed to be 90 degrees plus for daytime highs all week w/20% chance of rain this weekend. Can grass be TOO dry to bale well in this baler? The grass is stemmy with out much leaf to lose (except for the mixed in vetch.) I try to immitate the long time farmers around here when possible and some had already finished baling 1st cut on their bottom land last week.

I'll create a thread under implements for the #9 mower and attempt to include some pics.

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joe etx

05-19-2008 18:34:32




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-18-2008 21:14:53  
i dont think its the dry hay unless wet on bottom. the cylinder in center of baler as you look back at it needs to be (charged) to tenchion the baler. also gate HAS to be closed,you said hyds. not hooked up.it must be to close gate and get cylinder weady to bale.hard to type easy to see,what is going on. wet rye grass will wrap starter rooler and never move back in to belts.i have one that i can pick up all the fluff the baler drops or passes and start a bale and other would not pick up a bit of it ,it needs a large wade to bale. i do 4 ft wide wind rows and drive stright, some so 2 ft wind rows and weave.i go 4 ft wind rows ,but i started with a 605c.you need full hyds. and s full 540 pto.
joe

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joe etx

05-18-2008 18:59:48




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
if your baling hay this time of year its going to be rye grass in east tx. it needs to be DRY, hard to do with out a tedder. back to baler need to hook up hyds. that closes the gate,and gets the cylinders ready to bale.if close to tyler email me. have two f balers and a sj



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Hay DR

05-18-2008 18:53:00




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
It is desirable for Vermeer F,G & H baler to have the belts creep when the baler is empty. What you need to do is to bale a full bale, turn your PTO off and go over to a high pressure water hose and clean out the chaff between the coils of the tension springs. If you belts start off like you are burning rubber like a muscle car then you will have some hard starting problems because they are too tight. Belts too lose can cause a starting problem in a small windrow. The belts will seen to jump around and not track properly. Just remember the bigger the windrow the better the bale will be.

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Fern(Mi)

05-18-2008 05:27:01




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
With PTO engaged open and close the gate a a time or two. the belts will move and likely keep right on turning. I do this each time the old girl and I go out. I want to be sure they’re working before I wad her full of hay she ain’t going to bale. Been rare the times it ain’t worked like she should.
Fernan



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TX656

05-18-2008 05:09:52




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
Wow, you guys get up early or stay up late. Sounds like it might not be needing an immediate repair. Unusual for the things I typically buy. I'll post back after we try it with some hay. Thank you for all the replys.
Instead this afternoon the Ferguson hay rake will get a weld and a new tire and the #9 sickle mower will get a missing shoe and a new spring on the swath board.



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willyz

05-18-2008 03:43:51




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
I don't know about the 605F but on some of the older Vermeer balers, the belts didn't turn till there was some hay in the chamber.



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paul

05-18-2008 03:03:55




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
Loose belts can help to start a roll. Until it gets a little hay in it, esp if it's sat all winter, it's not uncommon for the belts to not move.

That doesn't mean you don't have a bad bearing on a roller or some such, keeping it from turning.....

But, it's not uncommon for mine to not get moving until it gets a mouthful of hay.

--->Paul



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thurlow

05-18-2008 01:20:13




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
A bad bearing will keep them from turning; if it hasn't been used for a while, it's possible for the belts to be 'stuck' to one or more rollers.



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petetx

05-17-2008 21:58:42




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to TX656, 05-17-2008 21:35:37  
not sure about vermeer but on my heston 5800 they won't start rolling tell there is a core in the chamber



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KEH

05-18-2008 15:32:32




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 Re: Vermeer 605F - belts not moving in reply to petetx, 05-17-2008 21:58:42  

It would be a good idea to check all the rollers to see if they will turn freely. It's possible the belts have become stretched and they need to be shortned to specifications as found in the manual. A little spray belt dressing on the drive roller wouln't hurt either, just be careful putting it on.

KEH



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