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How do you set ledger plates?

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gunnysack2

05-25-2000 12:21:51




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I need to replace the ledger plates on my Modle 32 Mf. I ordered the ledgers,hold downs and rivits. Do you drive out the old rivits from the bottom with a punch? Also what would be the procedure to set the new plates in position? Thanks for your time gunny




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Paul Fox

05-26-2000 03:44:35




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 Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to gunnysack2, 05-25-2000 12:21:51  
I rebuilt a bar on an Allis Chalmers #3 mower. I took all the guards off, ground the head off the bottom of the rivets and drove them out from the bottom with a pin punch.

On the AC, and I'm assuming the MF will be the same or very similar, the ledger plate has a beveled hole, and the rivets have a conical or beveled head. I set the ledger in, slipped the rivet in, held it in place while I turned the guard over, set the rivet head on a flat surface on my big vise, and peened the bottom over. The rivets are fairly soft, and a few taps with a ball-pein hammer will round it over nicely and tighten things up.

MAKE SURE!!!! that the top of the rivet is flush with or slightly below the surface of the ledger plate, or the sickle sections will hang on it when the mower is running. That gets ugly pretty quick.

BTW, I'm not at all sure I agree with the bolts/nuts on the sickle sections posted here. I'd think that reciprocating bar would shake 'em loose pretty quick, and I'd be worried about the nuts and tail-end of the bolts hanging up on the guards. Could be wrong, but I've never seen it done.

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ron

05-26-2000 10:34:08




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 Re: Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to Paul Fox, 05-26-2000 03:44:35  
I agree that I wouldn't use bolts for holding sickle sections on a hay machine. The green hay is much more likely to hang up on the bolts. I suspect that is at least one of the reasons engineers chose rivets in the design. For combine heads it is probably a different story because there is much less green stuff to go through. Also notice the original question wasn't about sickle sections but about guard ledger plates. Finding the correct bevel and head diameter on a countersunk bolt head to hold ledger plates would be rather time consuming. The rivets are already to drop in.

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paul

05-26-2000 04:45:28




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 Re: Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to Paul Fox, 05-26-2000 03:44:35  
I've seen a lot of combine heads converted to the bolt scickles, never really thought about hay machines. Sometimes it takes special hold-downs, and if your holes are stretched out the bolts will probably rattle pretty soon....

--->Paul



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Terrel

05-30-2000 20:10:39




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 Re: Re: Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to paul, 05-26-2000 04:45:28  
I use a 7' Ford 501 humpback mower. Recently replaced some sections with the threaded bolts. I have cut about 50 ac. since without a loose section. But clearance was too close on some areas of the bar so I used rivets near the head and the holddowns. I also use a air hammer & long pointed punch to punch the rivets from the guards, much easier.



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Tom from Ontario

05-25-2000 20:06:10




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 Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to gunnysack2, 05-25-2000 12:21:51  
Take the sickle out and work at it on a bench. Don't try to work it when it's in the mower. Ditch the rivets and get nut and bolts for the sections. Much easier and faster and if they do work loose, two seconds with a wrench fixes it.



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Big Jake

05-26-2000 10:04:32




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 Re: Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 05-25-2000 20:06:10  
I agree with going to bolt on sections--mine switched right over. Used same sections & holddowns as with rivets!. Also I just pop the section with a small sledge to shear the rivets then drive out with a punch.



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Brian

05-28-2000 05:41:05




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 Re: Re: Re: How do you set ledger plates? in reply to Big Jake, 05-26-2000 10:04:32  
Jake,
We used to pull the knife through the jaws of a vice closed just enough to let the section pass through then hit each section with a hammer. You could de-section a combine knife very quickly but had to be careful not to bend it.
Bolt and nuts for retaining the sections are becoming common over here. Deutz use it on their combine knives and John Deere also.
regards
Brian



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