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BillD

06-24-2000 13:32:25




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Looking for small square baler to pull behind my 8n. I'm leaning towards a self-powered model because of the 8n limitations. Anyone have any sugestions? what price should I expect?
Thanks in advance.




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Dan Chambers

06-27-2000 10:15:40




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 Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to BillD, 06-24-2000 13:32:25  
Bill I use an IH 46 twine baler behind an 8N on flat ground. The baler works pretty good misses about 5% of the bales over 6 acres and 300 bales.
Iagree with Burrhead that a NH 68 would be good choice. When windrowing make sure the rows are about 3/4 of what the rake will make. I have a Case 170 vintage 1940 and make 3/4 windrows and it works pretty good. Why do I have an IH 46 baler it was free in working order. Dan in Iowa

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B.C

06-26-2000 06:02:39




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 Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to BillD, 06-24-2000 13:32:25  
I'd say you should either go NH 68 or JD 14T or 24T. Then rig up an 18 or 20 hp opposed two cyl engine to drive it...a Briggs would probably do fine. Northern Hydraulics sells them, as do many others.

You could probably handle a PTO driven baler with a 9N but it will be a challenge. You probably will want a "swinging" drawbar. You had better be patient and take a lot of time raking just so or you are really going to miss having live PTO.

I'd guess that 500 to 700 would get you a usable baler. You know, buy cheaper than that and add parts, or spend some more if you know for sure the thing works right. Like if you know the guy selling it and you've watched it work.

I've driven 9N's and I've owned a JD 14T, NH 66 and 68.

As far as parts, books, etc go, I've had better luck getting parts quickly from JD. I've needed fewer of them with the NH 68.

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Burrhead

06-24-2000 16:18:22




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 Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to BillD, 06-24-2000 13:32:25  
I'll give my opinion on this question. It always starts a small baler feud when it's brought up, but I'd try to find and old New Holland 68 or so.
That 8N is big enough to run it with or with out the baler being motorized.

The curb weight is around 2600 pounds on the NH. The Wisconsin powered balers are agravating as h***. If you have hilly ground there you may want to water your tractor tires for stability and be sure you have an over run clutch on the pto.

I've always found the windrow condition is more important than what you pull the baler with. The NH only needs 18hp to run it right and you can find parts for it easier and alot cheaper than JD or IH.

Around here you can get a pretty fair baler from $200 to $750 tops.

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Tim(nj)

06-24-2000 17:25:26




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 Re: Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to Burrhead, 06-24-2000 16:18:22  
Burrhead, I have to disagree with you about the parts. My friend has a New Holland baler, and I have a JD. Where I'm at, the JD dealer can get parts for a 336 within 2 days. NH dealer often takes a week for parts for a 315. We compared parts prices this winter when doing our maintenance, and JD came up 10% or more cheaper on many of the parts we were both putting in our respective color balers. (like billhooks, knives, etc.)

BTW, in Lancaster County, Pa, the Amish put new engines on some very new balers. Saw a Hesston centerline with what looked to be a Kawasaki engine mounted on top, with brandy-new steel wheels and a wagon chute.

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Burrhead

06-24-2000 21:39:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to Tim(nj), 06-24-2000 17:25:26  
This is a serious question, and not a smart alec deal. Do they pull the motorized balers with horses?? I like the looks of the center lined balers.

Pricing might be a matter of region I guess. We have 2 good family owned NH dealers here that go out of their way to help and keep prices down on the NH parts, and will answer questions so you can do your own repairs. We have 2 JD dealers that are owned by corporations that price the JD parts over the moon here, and the attitude here is like Wally World. No matter what you ask anybody there the answer is DUH..

Both our NH dealers usually have what you need or can have it by tomorrow, but our Deere dealers don't stock any small parts or older equipment parts. It usually takes them about 10 days to get your part.

We have newer model JD and NH tractors and it's the same with parts for them, NH has them and JD does'nt.

The best dealer support we ever had around here was with Case back when a Case was really a Case, but now it's owned by some big bunch out of Tennessee and their place sucks too.

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Nellie - Amish and balers

06-25-2000 05:08:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to Burrhead, 06-24-2000 21:39:51  
The Amish in my area pull the baler to the field then bring the hay to the baler, or bring the hay into the barnyard for baling. They love the Honda engines. They power hay conveyors, water pumps, table saws you name it, if it was set to run by an electric motor they will put a gas engine on it.



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Burrhead

06-25-2000 10:35:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to Nellie - Amish and balers, 06-25-2000 05:08:59  
Sounds like alot of work, but I admire them folks for their conviction to life.

I used to go into the Ammish communities in Ohio to get ice cream. I don't think anybody else makes ice cream as good as they do.



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Tim(nj)

06-25-2000 19:10:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to Burrhead, 06-25-2000 10:35:05  
The Pennsylvania Amish pull their balers with a team of horses, and either drop bales on the ground and come back with the wagon later, or they pull a wagon alongside the baler chute with another team. I've seen a special chute they've designed for the centerlines that lets the guy on the wagon hook the bale and then slide it sideways onto the wagon.

Lots of New Idea 323 1-row corn pickers there set up with foretrucks, steel wheels and engines with special elevator diverters to drop corn into a wagon being pulled alongside the elevator instead of behind it. Ever see an Unverferth 150 bu gravity box on steel wheels? How about a 36' elevator powered by a Kohler engineon the ground, running a hydraulic pump connected by hoses to a hydraulic motor up where an electric one would normally be on the elevator? That's how the Amish do it in PA.

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tim[in]

06-25-2000 21:29:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler Recommendations in reply to Tim(nj), 06-25-2000 19:10:28  
sounds like the indiana amish



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