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Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N

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Old Ag

09-05-2000 12:15:41




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Labor Day was a killer indeed - small tractor, 108 degree heat, and a totally novice operator (that's me) combined for rough ride through some old pasture. I am preparing a 7-8 acre patch for sugarcane planting this fall and the ground was so hard and my disc so worn down that I may as well have used my fingernails. I need a low budget solution to get this ground into shape without upgrading tractors. I have a 6' tandem disc w/ 17" cutters (originally 18"), a weld-repaired middle buster, and a spring tine cultivator - none of which cut down deep. What do I need to make some progress? Help needed quick! Planting is just a month away. Thanks.

Old Ag
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Neal(IN)

09-07-2000 04:40:08




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
I'm really new to this AG stuff so this is more of a thought to be commented on by the more knowledgable folks in the group. The rental place near me has a yard box or box grader that they rent out for about $30 a day. I know your not trying to level the land but this thing has some serious teeth in it and maybe it would break up the soil enough to get you started. If others agree you might try a rental place near you.

Neal

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Tom-Pa

09-06-2000 12:34:40




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
If you have a middlebuster from TSC,Quality, etc. you can make a subsoiler out of it. The bottom of the shank usually has a loop for the bolts to go thru. I went and got the chisel cultivator. Pointed both ends, 2"X18"X7/8", a 1/2" bolt 1" longer than the bolt used for the middlebuster blade and appropiate washers and nuts. I use 2 nuts on both bolts as a safety,(I lost them when using 1 Bolt). So, 2 bolts, 4 nuts, washers, and chisel point. Works fairly decent and saved me the cost of buying a subsoiler too.
Good luck
Tom-Pa

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Old Ag

09-06-2000 14:22:01




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 Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Tom-Pa, 09-06-2000 12:34:40  
Thanks Tom. My middle buster is welded to the frame, so I guess I'll have to try another route. I do appreciate the feedback.

Old Ag



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Dave in Mo

09-06-2000 04:48:58




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
I think you need a subsoiler attachment for your middlebuster. It'll be slow going too. Use the root plow, then middlebust, wait for rain, then disc. My 2 cent worth.



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Al

09-05-2000 19:22:00




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
I believe you will get the most help from a good shower of rain, may as well wait for that .When it is that dry the little seeds would't germinate anyhow, at least not up here in NE WI,they don't. MY 3 cents worth.



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TomH

09-05-2000 17:29:05




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
This might be a middle budget solution, but check around and see what it would cost to get a custom operator in to plow it for you. Could be worth it if you can't get the ground ready with what you have.



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B.C.

09-05-2000 13:43:27




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
If you can take some teeth out of the spring tine cultivator, put some fresh sharp shovels on it and then weight it down that might do it.



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bbott

09-05-2000 12:49:51




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:15:41  
If your soil is baked to hard dry adobe... I don't know what to tell you other than get a bigger tractor... (but that's NOT what you want to hear).... sounds like you can't wait for the right soil conditions to happen.

A few other suggestions...

Have you got extra weight on your disk ? I don't know what kind of disk you've got, but you may be able to lash some extra weight (concrete blocks, steel, etc on top.)

Also, depending on design you might be able to pull some of the disks out and go narrower with the rig. In combination with extra weight you might be able to get more penetration.

That or maybe buy a little box disk that you can really weight down.

Hopefully some others may have some better suggestions.

Either way, well good luck and pray for rain.!

bbot

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Old Ag

09-05-2000 13:16:49




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 Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to bbott, 09-05-2000 12:49:51  
The soil is a Lake Charles Clay. I tried weighing down the disc by taking off the back row of discs and laying them on top, plus lashing four bags of quick crete to the top (bad idea, one broke open). Bottom line is, I still got tossed around a lot. Thanks for the input.

What's this "box disc" you mentioned?

Old Ag



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bbott

09-05-2000 18:05:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 13:16:49  
Box disk ?

It's a set of disks mounted in a heavy 'box' frame.

They usually don't cover much width and you can weight 'em real heavy due to the frame. Mine is maybe 6' wide and 3 gangs deep. Probably weighs a half ton even without any junk tied on top.

I forget the mfg. It dates from the 1950's and has the name welded by hand into the back frame.

Now I'll have to walk out to the back 40 and look.

bbott

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Burrhead

09-05-2000 14:48:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 13:16:49  
On the middle buster I take the shovel off and put a spike point from the cultivator on it. I put weight on it and start running back and forth all in the same directions, like. North and South spiking and then disc it running east and west, and then north and south on the discing.

If you can get the middle buster weighted down enough to get in the ground 6-8" it is alot quicker and does better than the spike.

You just turn around and put the tractor wheel into the last furrow and keep running back and forth with the middle buster or spike either one. When you get to the disc part let about 1/2 the angle out of the disc and put as much weight of some kind on the disc as you can pull, then run the disc in the 90 degree direction of the way you ran the spike.

It's not a real good job like you would do with a turning plow but it will work for cane and/or grass seed bed prep.

If you're gonna be planting every year or so you might want to get a disc turning plow. The disc turner will do alot better than a flat bottom as far as getting in the ground better and you can do more work with less horsepower.

I have a double disc Ford plow here that will out do the flat bottom by a good bit.

Good luck and stay busy.It aint long til planting time.

Oh yeah one more thing. These boys with sandy soil always say not to clean or sharpen your disc. That's good advise unless you have clay. If you have clay you'll need to sharpen and keep the disc blades clean or they won't go in the ground no matter how much weight you put on the disc.

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RICH GRABLE

09-05-2000 18:46:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Burrhead, 09-05-2000 14:48:01  
I suggest a Ford breaking plow.

By the way I need a set of 2 plow shares for a Ford Dearborn plow model 10-1, serial #1577.

The Dearborn part # stamped on the share is 101001.

Could any one help? Thank you

RICHGRABLE@YAHOO.COM



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