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Haybine for Farmall H

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Louie M.

09-05-2000 18:59:30




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I am just a pretend farmer ( 13 sheep and 5-6 acres of hay ). I have been using an old sickebar mower with the H and it has been giving me fits. I am wondering if anyone can tell what size and models of haybines will work with my H. I am new and know nothing about them. I am in Ann Arbor, Mi if anybody has one for sale locally. Thanks.




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Louie M.

09-06-2000 16:35:36




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 Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-05-2000 18:59:30  
Thanks everyone for your responces I do appreciate the help. The mower is a New Idea Model ?. I have no manual or any info on it. I bought it from a co-worker who replaced it with a haybine and I just assumed it was complete( which I have no idea if it is or not ). What gives me fits is that it almost constantly plugs up at the end of the bar and just drags the hay. I do get my aerobics getting on and off the H 50 times an hour. Of course it is very possible that the main problem is me not knowing how to run it right. I am going to try for a third cutting and will try some different things. Sammy, S&K is always the first place I go for parts and I check there periodically for old hay equipment. Everytime I walk in I get the feeling the counter man is thinking "O Lord, what kind of weird thing does he want now ". Really, they have been super nice and helpful. This winter I will look around and see what I can find. Thanks again everyone for the tips and info.

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TomH

09-07-2000 17:45:46




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 Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-06-2000 16:35:36  
Two other things to check: the end of the sickle bar should be held up off the ground by a "shoe" or runner that you can adjust up or down. That keeps the end of the bar from dragging on the ground. Look at other mowers to see if you have/need one. You might also want to get a "grass board" if you don't already have one. It tosses the mowed grass back away from the next swath. But my experience is that most plugging is dull sections or ledger plates.

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Louie M.

09-08-2000 17:02:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to TomH, 09-07-2000 17:45:46  
Thank you for the tips. I am sure the shoe is there and I think it is complete.I don't know if it is adjustable or not, I will check. I had to make a grass board for it as the original was rotted. I will look it over real well before I go to the parts store tomorrow. Thank you again.



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paul

09-06-2000 20:49:56




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 Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-06-2000 16:35:36  
You have a very, very common problem, with a very simple solution, will cost you $5.00 or so & a bit of time.

The far end sickle section (sharp pie pieces that are moving) should look different than the rest of them. It should be one & 1/2 sickles. It will have a regular section, with a little buddy 1/2 sized attached out to the end. The little 1/2 sized blade will stick out farther, and does make it easier to catch wire or posts or such.

I suspect you only have regular sections, and not this special end one. Go to your favorite parts guy, and talk to him about getting this special end sickle section. Drill/pound out the 2 rivets, intall the new section with new rivets, & 95% of your problem is gone.

(Or: Something is excessively worn/ missing/ broken on the end section/guard you have. That end one gets a bit more grass through it, and wears a bit faster.)

--->Paul

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Louie M.

09-07-2000 14:49:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to paul, 09-06-2000 20:49:56  
Paul- Thank you for your diagnosis. You are correct. I do not have the one and a half sickle section at the end. First thing Saturday I will go to S&K sales and see what they have. I really would like to keep using the mower and not have to buy any more equipment, it is getting hard to justify a lot of cash outlay for just 13 sheep. Thanks again for your help.



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paul

09-07-2000 19:57:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-07-2000 14:49:38  
My old sickle had the one & a half section, & it didn't plug. When the sickle broke I got a whole new sickle which did not have the special secion. Being new, it worked pretty well. But, as things wear, I notice a lot of plugging now. Time for me to put the special section on too. :)

--->Paul



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Duke

09-06-2000 19:54:13




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 Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-06-2000 16:35:36  
It sounds like the ledger plate is missing at the shoe end of the cutter bar. There should be a small knife edge plate to the right of the sickle that the last section crosses over at the end of the stroke. Go bug you parts man again about a right hand ledger plate.



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Louie M.

09-07-2000 14:59:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Duke, 09-06-2000 19:54:13  
Duke- Thank you for your diagnosis too. Paul suggested the missing end sickle section which I know I don't have. As for a ledger plate, I am not sure what that is. I will look my mower over real well before I go to S&K sales Saturday and hopefully the counter man will take pity on me and help me figure out what I have and don't have. Thank you for your help, it is appreciated.



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Warren

09-06-2000 14:04:54




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 Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-05-2000 18:59:30  
Louie,
I have to disagree with some of the previous posts. A poor haybine is usually better than a good sickle mower. As long as the gearbox, sickle bar and reel are in good shape.

I too have had many years of experience with both mounted and pull type sickle mowers. Some of my most memorable days were spent cutting "Kennedy acres" (now CRP) with a mounted mower in August.I was never so happy as the day I finally sold my pull behind New Holland mower.

I now have an older John Deere haybine with worn out rolls. Since the rolls were shot, I picked it up for a couple of hundred bucks at an auction. The great thing about the haybine is that it very rarely plugs due to the action of the reel cleaning the cutter bar. I can cut in the rain or when it is dry. Thick, lodged hay is no longer a problem, I just go a little slower. Hay that is leaning in one direction can be cut in any direction since the reel picks it up before being cut.

I cut the hay with the haybine and leave the windrow as wide as possible, then I go over it with a crimper which I would have to do if I had mowed it.

I think that a 7 foot haybine would work well for you. You don't even need hydraulics, you could use a manual lift for the header if you don't mind the work.

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tim[in]

09-05-2000 23:22:54




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 Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-05-2000 18:59:30  
first you need to find out the probs with the mower you have now. do you have a operators manual for it? take a good look at you sickle sections. are they dull? what about the rock guards ? are the ledger plates on them wore? are the hold down clips really holding the sickle down to the ledger plates? take a good look at the sections and if you have a used one off the mower ,take it and a rock guard to your local tractor store and compare to the new ones on the shelf. you'll probably find out you just need some new parts and adjustments on the mower. a mower conidtioner is most of the sickle bar mower probs and some new added on ones. good luck.

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paul

09-05-2000 22:09:12




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 Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-05-2000 18:59:30  
I'd look for a smaller, 7 foot haybine, altho you would be happier with a good mower on an H I would think. I pull a 9 foot haybine with a Ford 960 (40+ hp) and even with liquid filled tires, it takes all the power & wieght I have.

--->Paul



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sammy the RED

09-05-2000 20:44:27




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 Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-05-2000 18:59:30  
Louie, On M-52 between Chelsea and Manchester is a Gehl dealer. S & K Sales. Owners name is Steve. He usually has a lot of hay equipment on his lot. Hope this helps you out. stR



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louie

09-05-2000 19:56:04




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 Re: Haybine for Farmall H in reply to Louie M., 09-05-2000 18:59:30  
Louie: Wonder why your mower gives you fits? I'd wait till winter now and buy a good mower in the off season. Some mowers are better than others. For instance, they tell me the old 1950s No. 5 JD is better than the later No. 8. Go figure. Ask around. New Holland and IH made and make good ones too. For the bucks you are better off to invest in a good mower than a bad haybine. You're doing this to relax, right? Buy a good one at a farm sale and take care of it and likely you'll get back your money when you sell it. Think safety and quality hay!

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