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Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size

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Janet

09-18-2000 00:02:47




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We are starting a small winery/orchard, and I want to do a bit of subsistence hobby farming - grow the food for a few animals to feed our family. I like the idea of an antique tractor, my hubby would prefer new, but really, the implements are what drive our needs.
What is the smallest, relatively reliable grain drill out there? How many kinds of seed can you plant (other than wheat)?
If I want to bale hay for a horse, a few goats, sheep, rabbits, maybe a cow or two (in little bales) what equipment would I need, and who made the best ones?
Can you get something to cut the grass/prairie, that throws the clippings into a wagon? We plan on being organic, so want to collect it for compost?
What are my harvesting options for wheat, corn, milo, etc, in a very small size? We may at first plant a strip of grain down our rows of trees, so I can't just hire a modern combine, and hand harvesting just doesn't sound appealing.
Finally, knowing what I want to do with the implements, what tractor would you recommend? We seem to think that the right size is about head high, what brand and models are best?
Am I insane to consider old stuff, and should we just try to buy relatively new equipment? Our total acreage would be 20-40 only.

Thanks so much for your help.

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Jim Hines

09-20-2000 05:29:13




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 Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to Janet, 09-18-2000 00:02:47  
Janet-
You are asking good questions, (ones that rank up there with who am I and why did God put me here?)and ones we all struggle with as we keep older equipment going. I am doing something similar to you, not really focusing organic but not using chemicals either. I am using an oliver 88 with a 7' New Idea sickle mower and a Massey 10 baler. The baler I paid 400 for, you can see other posts in the Massey forum. I would find a farmer or other familiar with old equipment to go with you. Sometimes a pice of equipment for sale for twenty dollars looks good but is missing a 100 dollar part that makes it functional. Plus things can just be too worn out. Tractor-wise, wide front, live pto, hydraulics, and possibly three point would be nice. I do not have three point and wish I did. It allows more types of equipment. My wife and I have decided to limit our scope to haying and a few hobby animals even though I have desires to do more and a nice 4-row planter. Old grain drills come 8-feet, brush hogs 4-6 feet. Make sure guards are in place, I have damaged equipment by things wrapping around shafts, let alone the farm accidents in the news. Old equipment is neat, be prepared to fix it, know it's terminal value (fixing vs replacing). If it has steel wheels the parts get hard to find.

Best wishes, Jim

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Janet - Head High

09-18-2000 20:50:02




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 Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to Janet, 09-18-2000 00:02:47  
Ok, maybe I should have said the top of the tractor, not counting any exhaust pipe or ROPS should be about 5-6 feet. We don't want a 8-10 foot tall machine, as one of the tasks would be driving down rows of trees with a wagon to collect fruit, and too tall a tractor would damage tree limbs. That is one of the main reasons to want a smaller tractor.

Janet



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Tom A

09-19-2000 03:38:15




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 Re: Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to Janet - Head High, 09-18-2000 20:50:02  
Janet: keep your head high! :-)

I agree with what everyone has said. Good used equipment, purchased locally at auction is the way to go. A couple of other suggestions that occurred to me as I read other posts: 1) bring a friend with you when you buy who knows what to look for, so you can buy with your eyes open; you'll at least know a particular machine's shortcomings and what fixing up it'll require. 2) Buy a brand that's popular locally. You can buy the best machine ever made, but if there's nobody locally who can fix it or get parts *when* it breaks puts you in a bind...and brand-names tend to be locally popular, probably because one dealer gave better service than another when that brand was sold. In my area it seems to be Ford-New Holland for the older stuff, John Deere nowadays.

By the way, at the risk of being labelled a yuppie (Actually, I'm way too old), the 8N is about chest-high...one of several reasons I got mine for the hills was its low center of gravity.

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a good chuckle

09-18-2000 12:24:19




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 Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to Janet, 09-18-2000 00:02:47  
no offense meant but I got a good chuckle out of the description of what you want in a tractor -"head high" is something I've never seen before and been around tractors for 50+ years!



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LazyHorse

09-18-2000 06:08:10




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 Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to Janet, 09-18-2000 00:02:47  
I agree with Tom for the most part. I also farm 20 hilly acres in Indiana. I would suggest you look for equipment at auctions in your area, or used equipment being sold by local farmers. I first purchased an old Case 311 which was a nice tractor, but did not have enough power for the intended purpose. With our cold winters and no tool shed I tried to stay away from Diesel's so I recently purchased an Oliver 880 for $2000 I got a lot more tractor than what I had, and it has live PTO & hydraulics. I have purchased a lot of used equipment (baler, planter, mower, etc.) at farm and estate auctions and spent less than 1/10th of what the used implements would have brought in the newspaper ads, or from Dealers.

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gerald camp

07-16-2002 05:25:46




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 Re: Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to LazyHorse, 09-18-2000 06:08:10  
need information and manual for Ford hay baler model: I4-80
serial #: 76I8



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navada

10-05-2000 22:01:00




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 Re: Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to LazyHorse, 09-18-2000 06:08:10  
I am not sure I am in the right place, but I am looking for a grain drill. I have an 8N tractor or I also have teams that I farm with. So it would have to fit size wise to these. I live in Colordao. You can E at the address given.
Thanks.
ohl@pagosa.net



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paul

09-18-2000 18:32:18




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 Re: Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to LazyHorse, 09-18-2000 06:08:10  
Tom & Lazyhorse seem to be making sense to me.

If you want brandnames, I would suggest a New Holland 68 or newer; or John Deere 14T or newer baler. These are old, but reliable & parts & dealers abound. Other brands might work, but are a bit more hit & miss. I'd suggest searching the archives here, as there was lots of discussion about balers in the past 6 months & people might not be in the mood to repeat.

Grain drills can have grass seeder attachments, and will plant soybeans through oats, wheat, rye, etc. and the grass seeder will plant several types of grass & alfalfa, clover, etc. Ten to 14 feet is common.

For harvest you might look into an AC Allcrop pull type combine, model 66 or so. Don't know if any will fit between trees (head is only 5-7 feet wide, but the tractor will be off to the side more than doubling that), but something to look into. Again, search the archives, good dicsussion on these in the past 2 months.

For baling & combining I would really look for a tractor with live pto. You can get by without, but in most cases the yuppies are bidding up the prices of little 8n etc. tractors, and you can get a slightly bigger tractor with more features for less money because the yuppies don't know. I'm not sure what 'head high' means tho.

Go to farm auctions. You can save 50% or more on the cost of all this.

There are new small machines being specialty made for yuppies, but you are NUTS to spend $8,000 for a mini baler when a good used NH will go $500 to 1000 and be easier to maintain. And the same for the rest of the equipment. Buy good old stuff, you are getting more for less.

I think you will find the idea of collecting prairie grass clippings won't be worth $10 over 10 years, so maybe scrap that one right now. Plant in some clover with your wheat/ oats/ small grains & you will have a MUCH better system.

Yes you are at least slightly nutz to try this, but don't let that stop you. It will be too much work & too little income, but have fun anyhow. :)

--->Paul

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Tom A (Middletown MD)

09-18-2000 03:50:08




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 Re: Grain drill, hay baler, bush hog, etc, in a small size in reply to Janet, 09-18-2000 00:02:47  
Janet: Let me first warn you--you stand to get 100 totally different and mutually-exclusive answers to your questions!

That said, we're just a few years ahead of you, doing the same thing. Bought 19 (hilly) acres 2 years ago, after about 6 years of serious looking and a lifetime of planning/reading/dreaming. I still work full-time off-farm, and part-time on the farm.

I first bought a '48 8N tractor with a 5' bushhog to help clear long-neglected fields. Tractor ran terrible for the first 6 months as I replaced parts/tuned/learned. Since then, it's been very reliable and has done everything I've asked of her--and I've pulled stumps, plowed, disked, cut & baled hay, dragged very large logs/trees, hauled everything imaginable. I'd recommend an 8N for anybody doing this kind of thing on a small farm. Some folks will poo-poo the 8N because it doesn't have a 'live PTO' but I haven't found that a problem. You can get a decent 2/9/8N (different years of the same basic tractor) for around $2,000-3,500. It'll take any tillage equipment that fits a standard 'category 1' 3 point hitch, and parts and expertise are both readily available.

This spring, I got tired of buying hay for our small goat herd. Bought used sicklebar mower (Ford 515), 2 hay rakes (Ford 503 and a Ferguson; wrecked first one daydreaming), and a Massey-Ferguson #10 hay baler. Though I've had some problems with the baler (related to my own ignorance), all have worked ok, and we've put up about 3 tons of our own hay with about a $1,200 investment in hay equipment. The tractor pulls it all, even with some fairly significant hills...though you must be careful.

Others will suggestion other equipment and combinations. I'm happy with what I have, and the cost has been low enough to let us cover all the other things we've wanted to buy--like trees, goats, chickens, seed, plants..... ..
Good luck to you!
Tom

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