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Steve

12-06-2000 16:40:18

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Can anyone tell me the make and model # of a pto bailer that I can run with my 1943 JD mod A? I have pretty heavy hay and some moderatly hilly ground. I realize that an engine drivin bailer would be more practical but servicable ones seem to be almost a thing of the past. Thank you

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Tim(nj)

12-07-2000 19:32:53

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Re: bailer in reply to Steve, 12-06-2000 16:40:18

your A will handle a either a JD 14T or 24T, as long as you aren't pulling wagons behind the baler on the hills. Lack of live pto might be a problem in heavy hay. BTW, what is heavy hay in your case? 175 bales per acre 1st cut is heavy hay to me.

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Tom A

12-07-2000 03:41:49

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Re: bailer in reply to Steve, 12-06-2000 16:40:18

Bailer--baler...I don't think most of us were confused.

I don't know much about a 43 JD, but I've got a 48 8N (about 25 hp when it was new) and *hilly* ground. Spent a lot of time researching balers that my tractor could pull; there's lots of opinions out there. Seems that most folks felt an older New Holland would be usable, reliable, and easy to maintain...models around 66 to 69 or so. I wound up buying a Massey Ferguson 10 (because it was available when I was looking and the price was right), though #s 3-10 were all recommended by folks familiar with them. It is small and low; but at about 2400 lbs it weighs about the same as my tractor which means I have to be real careful going downhill. Once the baler was greased and 'tuned up' my ole Ford has no trouble pulling it.

Others will have other advice, but that's my 2 cents. Good luck,
Tom

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Dick Davis

12-07-2000 04:48:08

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Re: Re: bailer in reply to Tom A, 12-07-2000 03:41:49

Tom A. makes a good case. Always consider the weight of the baler versus the tractor. I have some pretty steep hills, I pull a model 80 New Holland with an M with wide front and 3 sets of wheel weights. The 80 weighs in at 4800 #! I have learned to rake my hay and make my turns to avoid being pushed around. Your John Deere should handle any baler of its own vintage.

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12-07-2000 14:10:08

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Re: Re: Re: bailer in reply to Dick Davis, 12-07-2000 04:48:08

I have a '52 8N and which has about 25HP and weighs about 2300 lbs. I have a NH 271 baler and if I don't make the windrows too big it works just fine. Granted my land is FLAT so I don't have the issue of the baler pushing me around. I've actually been considering a JD A to do the baling and just use my N to mow and rake. Depending on the S/N of your A, you have either 25 or 38 PTO HP. (S/N 488000 and on had a slightly larger engine) Also the weight of the A is quite a bit more than the N. JD A's built from '38-'47 weighed in at about 3800lbs. So with this said, my advice is to get an older NH baler in fair shape for cheap and have at it.

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Denny

12-15-2000 15:18:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: bailer in reply to DD, 12-07-2000 14:10:08

I've baled some with a '47 A and a NH 273. If the hay is moderately heavy, or if you bale straw in windrows from a header bigger than 15', its a strictly low gear, shutters all the way open proposition, and dragging a wagon on hilly ground will make your A pant. Lack of live PTO isn't as bad as it sounds, you just have to learn to shove the tractor in neutral and get the clutch re-engaged quick if you have to stop so the baler will clean out and not slug. If your baler doesn't have an over-running clutch (my 273 does, right in the flywheel), you will need one of those or the baler will drive the tractor forward through the PTO when you pull the clutch, making it next to impossible to get the tractor out of gear and stopped. Knowing how to properly rake the hay helps a lot. It does make that A sound good, but if the hay is too heavy or the ground too rolling, I take the Deere to the shed and bring the Farmall 806 back with me. It is impossible to have too much power available for a baler, and I can run the 806 at a lower RPM which makes the 273 never miss a tie, instead of missing maybe once all afternoon.
Denny

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DaYup...Baler?

12-06-2000 16:53:59

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Re: bailer in reply to Steve, 12-06-2000 16:40:18

Most people use a bailer in a leaky boat.
Might you want to know about haybalers?

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bgee

12-07-2000 04:12:24

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Re: Re: bailer in reply to DaYup...Baler?, 12-06-2000 16:53:59

I think everyone knows what he meant.

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Tim(nj)

12-07-2000 14:53:23

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Re: Re: Re: bailer in reply to bgee, 12-07-2000 04:12:24

But a computer search engine wouldn't make the connection . . . .

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bgee

12-08-2000 04:37:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: bailer in reply to Tim(nj), 12-07-2000 14:53:23

Goog point.

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Bgee

12-08-2000 04:39:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bailer in reply to bgee, 12-08-2000 04:37:08

Excuse me, Good Point.

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