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Disc harrow? what do I need.

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Buz Brandes

12-17-2000 20:34:01




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I recently purchased a Ferguson 35 in good condition. I'm planning on planting some small food plots (likely clover and maby alfalfa-for deer), around 1-2 acres, back in the woods on my farm in some already open areas. The question is ... what do I need to plow the area to prep it for seed? I thought a simple disc would do, but I don't know squat about them. How big do i need, considering I will be driving back in the woods on logging roads with this thing. How big or small do they come. I was thinking about something in the 5-6foot range??? how much $$$ for one - new or used. Round discs or the ones with serrated edges? As you can tell, I need a lot of education on this stuff, so anything will help. Thanks. -Buz.

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Ed

12-24-2000 04:02:09




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  
We do the exact same thing. First you have to get a soil test (this is a must or you will waste good money) We had Agway come sray round up in the fall then it was limed. In the spring we used a disc harrow 6' is plenty (you're not doing big areas) and roughed the soil up good, Next we seeded a cover crop, pulled a fence over that to bury the seed. spread our clover & trefoil mix. then rolled over that with a telephone pole @ 8' to pack it down. You have to fertilize and lime according to soil test results. Good Luck Ours worked great We are located in the Catskills in NY

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Robert J Spence

12-21-2000 14:33:15




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  
Three words for you, Imperial clover/alfalfa.
This is the best food plot money can buy.
Look them up on the net.



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T.J.

12-20-2000 19:09:45




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  

I have seeded pasture and lightly wooded spots I have plowed and used disc harrows and than dragged them. but worked the best and was easyest, Was earley in the spring spray the untouched ground with round-up wait two weeks broad-cast the seed and than drag it a couple times to work the seed down. You should beable to see about 20% of the seed on top of the ground thats it. Than hope for rain. The dead grass and trash left on top after seeding makes great cover for the new seeds to get started,and holdes in the moisture. I wouldn`t do much else unless the ground is really rough or compacted save the money from the equp. and buy better seed it is`nt cheap.You might need to over seed every few years. Good luck with what you decide to do Tom

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Garnet

12-19-2000 18:38:51




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  
Well, 3 point Discs are great for road transport. In my opinion they don't flex and follow the ground very well and are difficult on corners. I would recommend trailing model with wheels that lift it with hydraulic cylinder for transport. My guess is your plots aren't perfect table tops. 7' will be plenty for a 35.



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paul

12-18-2000 15:25:23




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  
I raise alfalfa for my cattle, and clover for plowdown. This is how I do it 'here' in MN:

Plow the field in fall, after harvest. In spring the winter has mellowed & softened the ground. Fertilize properly. Disk it once or twice (easier to fertilize if you disk once, fert, then disk or harrow it in), then seed it with a grain drill with grass seeder attachment. I seed oats as a cover crop in the grain compartment, 1-2 bu per acre. The alfalfa or clover seed is TINY & goes in the grass seeder, let it just fall on top of the ground, it should only be planted 1.2 inch or less deep. A 50lb bag plants about 5-6 acres for me. Harrow (drag) it once (twice if I want a real level alfalfa field).

I would imagine for small food plots, and not a crop you want to live off of, you cam make some shortcuts. You could probably seed with a spinner seeder. You probably wouldn't need to worry about fertilizer, altho the right ph (lime) is important in some areas, and P & K would help - low N is good to get it started, but inocculated seed will produce it's own N once it gets growing.

If you want a mixed field of the current grass & alfalfa/clover, you could just burn off, or roughly disk up the ground, spin on some seed, and harrow a few times. About 1/2 your seed will go to waste, but in 2 years you should have a good mixed stand.

If you want a solid stand of clover/alfalfa, I would plow, disk, harrow. If you only want 2 implements, I'd skip the disk & harrow a lot to level the ground.

If you have any hills on this ground, I would plant in a little oats on bare ground, which comes up early & protects the soil & yung alfalfa/clover from heavy rains/wind. Your young plants will look kind of poor for 6 months, that is just the way they come up, first fill out late in the year. Also, it is important to have good rains after planting, these crops are shallow & need moisture to start out.

Again, that's how a 'real' crop of solid alfalfa/clover is grown in southern Minnesota. Lots of other things work for just making a light stand for a food plot, so you probably can't go wrong.

There is a FAQ on pasture, and another one on haying available on the internet, good advise for how to get these crops going. I forget the address, but a search for 'frequently asked questions hay pasture' has turned it up for me....

Disks - well, I'm not real impressed with the new 3-point models, too expensive & too light to actually do anything. Most disks have solid blades, serated go a little deeper (because they built the disk too light?) but don't rip all the ground over. You should be able to pull 7', but smaller works good in your case. I'd want one as wide as the tractor of course.

--->Paul

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Alan Farley

12-18-2000 15:47:44




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 Re: Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to paul, 12-18-2000 15:25:23  
Depends on what type of soil you have, in light soils you can just disk it over a couple times. In the spring of 99' I had a neighbor come in and plow out a couple acres for corn that had always been pasture,clay soils. If we would have tried to just disk first we would have really struggled and broke some blades. Plowing it was tough, tons of roots and rocks. He was using a CASE 830 with 4 -16"'s. Paul if right about the new small disks, at the local TSC they have brand new 4',5' foot "disks" that have been out in the parking lot for 2 or 3 months rusting up bad already. They want $300-$500 for this junk! They are way too thin! I bought a JD RWA 10' pull-type disk in March in good shape for $325 at a auction.

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Dave in Mo

12-18-2000 04:26:00




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  
More likely you'll need to plow first before you disc. Keep your eyes open for a used 3 point 2 bottom moldboard plow. It'll cost about $200 or so for one in good shape complete with coulter wheels (they slit the sod in front moldboard). If your fields have high weeds, you'll have to brush hog first or the plow with clog up quite a bit. After plowing usually in March or early April, the discing will bust up the heavy clods into a much finer condition ready for your broadcast seed and fertilizer/lime. I bought a new 3 point disc for our 8N for about $400-450 range. Used in good shape should be about 1/2 that if you can find one. Usually the serrated wheels are in the front gang and the round in back. Your MF 35 will pull a bigger load than my 8N so you could go to a 7 foot wide unit but it costs more and is heavier. Since your plots are very small, I'd go with the smaller implements. I also wire down a couple of railroad ties on my disc frame if I don't get the penetration I want. Our conservation dep't advises people to disc up their grasses to let the natural weeds come up thru the fescues but when I tried this, it was like throwing bricks into the Grand Canyon. It didn't do anything so I just plowed up all the undesirables. Hope this helps.

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JP

01-03-2001 11:54:58




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 Re: Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Dave in Mo, 12-18-2000 04:26:00  
I have an 8N also. What brand and type did you buy?



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TomH

12-17-2000 21:08:38




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 Re: Disc harrow? what do I need. in reply to Buz Brandes, 12-17-2000 20:34:01  
One for a Ford 8N or 9N will do fine, maybe put some weight on the disk when you get to the meadow. Most important thing is to be careful, tractors and hillsides don't mix very well.

You didn't say where you live, if in the US visit your extension agent. They'll give you info like this:

http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubs/C814-w.html



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