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Ron

02-14-2001 18:50:26




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Other than what I have read on this webb site, I have heard other mixed opinions about 3-point backhoes. I have always wanted one to use around the farm for mostly light work but on occassion some fairly tough digging. Some people say they are the handiest gadget they ever owned while others have compared them with a good sized chicken scratching. What is the real story here from someone who has owned and used one. I am looking at a used Long machine I am thinking about buying. Thanks.

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et

02-16-2001 15:42:32




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 Re: 3 point backhoes in reply to Ron, 02-14-2001 18:50:26  
have owned both full sixed and three point both serve their own purpose as to design. Can not reach as far but really how many times do you dig 6 feet and more down . Maybe basement or having to reach out farther, well you get a big hoe. You can always take some off the top first and then go back as I have had to do to go deeper. The only draw back other then depth is ripping out bigger tree stumps or bigger faster buckets .

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bob

02-15-2001 12:30:36




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 Re: 3 point backhoes in reply to Ron, 02-14-2001 18:50:26  
I agree with both post s MY NEPHEW HAS OONE HE BOUGHT AS SURPLUS OF A SMALL TOWN . hE ONLY GAVE 150.00 FOR it We dug in my boys watewr line and worked fine Dug tight up to sidre of house and next to well curb . Only drawback I see is depth is limited to around 6 ft. His was a super buy



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F14

02-14-2001 19:35:56




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 Re: 3 point backhoes in reply to Ron, 02-14-2001 18:50:26  
I have a Woods 650 mounted on a John Deere 750 compact diesel. I have had it for several years, and I have used it HARD! I live in Maine, and the digging can get pretty rugged, with pin gravel, rocks, shale and blue clay. I've dug in ground so hard I've had to chain the tractor to an immovable object to keep the hoe from dragging the tractor around.

I have never used a 'real' backhoe, so I have nothing to compare it to. I suspect this is where the 'chicken scratching' comparison comes in. Mine has done everything I've ever asked it too, albeit slowly at times.

Like anything, there are trade-offs.

On the plus side, it's compact, and can get in and out of tight spaces, and does not tear up the lawn. Tree huggers love that. I can transport it behind a regular pickup truck on a 14' trailer. I can put it on or take it off in less than 10 minutes. It has plenty of power for it's size. It does not tie up a tractor. The hydraulics are reasonably fast.

On the minus side, I can only dig to a maximum of 6 and a half feet deep. If you're running a trench, 4' is a more realistic depth. The whole rig only weighs about 3000 pounds, so it won't punch through frost, it'll just jerk the tractor around. If you're digging a deep or wide trench, the limited reach of the boom means you'll soon bury yourself in spoil. You have to get off the hoe seat and climb onto the tractor seat to move the rig, and that happens about every 3' of running trench if you're digging to a depth of 4', which is common for water lines.

On the other hand, a full size backhoe or trackhoe (rented one of them once, what an incredible machine!) will set you back $50,000+. I paid $4500 for my 3 point new.

If I were digging for a living 40 hours a week, it'd get old REAL fast. But for 10 or 12 1 or 2 day jobs a year, and a few hundred 10 minute jobs around the ranch, you can't beat it, in my opinion.

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Grove r

02-15-2001 06:28:02




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 Re: Re: 3 point backhoes in reply to F14, 02-14-2001 19:35:56  
Hi, Ron/F14, I bought a "National" backhoe that mounts directly on my Satoh S650G, bought both units new back when....have used this to the point of wearing out, guess you could say it is like a chicken scratching, sure have "scratched" in a lot of sewer and water lines with it, and here, the water lines have to be eight feet down, which is the max. depth the hoe will dig. Through the years it has done enough contract work to pay for itself, plus enough for other expenses, though it was bought just for my own use. Wouldn't part with it for anything, sooooo handy, have dug in power supply cable, coral posts, dug boulders out of the field, and those that were too big to carry off with the loader, I reburied, dug graves at the local cemetary, even enlarged the basement for an addition to the house, Takes a lot longer, and is not as nice to operate as the bigger track hoe stuff, but given time it sure beats the crap out of doing all this by hand. It also has mounts for a three point hitch. Several years ago a nieghbor borrowed it to use on his three point hitch tractor, did some ditching along a roadway, said it worked great. Like I said, it only digs eight feet deep, has a twelve inch bucket..... built a larger, nineteen inch bucket, but the hydraulics are getting weaker, so don't use it anymore, but just compare it with the other option..... a shovel is only eight or ten inches wide, and takes a LOT of groceries for each job that MIGHT get done! Just a bunch of rambling here, but it might help some, have a gooder, REL.

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Grove r

02-15-2001 06:26:53




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 Re: Re: 3 point backhoes in reply to F14, 02-14-2001 19:35:56  
Hi, Ron/F14, I bought a "National" backhoe that mounts directly on my Satoh S650G, bought both units new back when....have used this to the point of wearing out, guess you could say it is like a chicken scratching, sure have "scratched" in a lot of sewer and water lines with it, and here, the water lines have to be eight feet down, which is the max. depth the hoe will dig. Through the years it has done enough contract work to pay for itself, plus enough for other expenses, though it was bought just for my own use. Wouldn't part with it for anything, sooooo handy, have dug in power supply cable, coral posts, dug boulders out of the field, and those that were too big to carry off with the loader, I reburied, dug graves at the local cemetary, even enlarged the basement for an addition to the house, Takes a lot longer, and is not as nice to operate as the bigger track hoe stuff, but given time it sure beats the crap out of doing all this by hand. It also has mounts for a three point hitch. Several years ago a nieghbor borrowed it to use on his three point hitch tractor, did some ditching along a roadway, said it worked great. Like I said, it only digs eight feet deep, has a twelve inch bucket..... built a larger, nineteen inch bucket, but the hydraulics are getting weaker, so don't use it anymore, but just compare it with the other option..... a shovel is only eight or ten inches wide, and takes a LOT of groceries for each job that MIGHT get done! Just a bunch of rambling here, but it might help some, have a gooder, REL.

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