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IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ?

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JR

03-16-2001 19:30:25




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I knew it was sort of a lemon but, I recently bought a IH 45 baler at an auction for $70. A 46 in good shape brought $175. I really wasn't looking for a square baler and haven't really decided what to do with it, but coundn't resist. It is in good condition. Almost always shedded. It was used last year so it still works. I believe I made a post a couple of months ago asking if IH Balers, that bad? And I refered back to that in the archives today and one or two people said that the 45 caused his PTO shaft on the tractor to break and cost big $ to fix. One guy cracked the tranny on his Farmall 230 bailing with one. I will be using a 706. Is this really true about breaking shafts? Should I chance it? I might do 3-4 acres in square bales with it the rest in round. The tires and rims alone are worth $70. I think if it breaks and costs a whole bunch to repair I will just part it out or scrap it. How much does it weigh? I know the knotters aren't good on the 45 and ties loose bales but I am not going to sell the bales. Awlful short tongue on it too. Thanks again guys.

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Sam

03-17-2001 06:45:17




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 Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to JR, 03-16-2001 19:30:25  
I have heard many times about the knotter on these 45 being bad. My question is; has any body tired to put the knotters off the 46 on a 45??.
we have a 46 and it works good, still misses but it some thing we can live with.



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Charlie

03-17-2001 16:13:11




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 Re: Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to Sam, 03-17-2001 06:45:17  
Sam - I have a 46 and it works extremely well. I had trouble tying once when 3 of the 4 springs on the 4 hay retainers were missing. Have you checked yours. Mine was an easy fix to tying problems.



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Charlie

03-17-2001 06:07:55




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 Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to JR, 03-16-2001 19:30:25  
I have a model 46 baler and it doesn't have an overrunning clutch so when I use it with my 300U and live PTO I have to be very carefull about how fast I stop the pto. I could see if the 45 is the same way that stopping the pto in a hurry is going to break something. Its not a problem on a tractor without live PTO. The other thing to think about when using your baler the old ones were made to run no faster than about 60-70 strokes per min. I've seen guys try to run them faster with the newer tractors and break needles and miss tying a lot of bales. A 706 is a lot of tractor for an old baler.

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CDH

03-18-2001 04:02:15




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 Re: Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to Charlie, 03-17-2001 06:07:55  
Charlie is right about 60 to 70 rpm's on most balers learned that many years ago better bales less break downs my 2 cents worth CDH



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Larry

03-17-2001 04:05:22




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 Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to JR, 03-16-2001 19:30:25  
I really don't know much about IH balers but...if my memory serves me right...the pto from the tractor to the baler has a bearing (what I would call a carrier bearing) between the drive line and baler...I'm guessing that in order to have pto trouble on the baler, that this bearing would be bad and causing a wobble in the drive line, and consequently placing lots of stress on the tractors pto. This is also assuming that you have the proper shear pin in the baler (like the other post said). I'd also think that for this to effect the pto on the tractor, the whole thing would have to be vibrating like crazy, sounds kind of scary to think about don't it!!

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Jeff W

03-16-2001 19:46:46




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 Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to JR, 03-16-2001 19:30:25  
Make sure it has shearbolt in the flywheel, I've never heard of a baler braking a tractor pto,but I guess it could happen if you had a grade 8 bolt instead of a shearbolt. Anyway a 706 could ring that baler in two and still keep going, the key to any old baler is speed, don't cram to much hay in them at a time. You should be in good shape, have fun Jeff



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mike schwab

03-17-2001 04:18:46




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 Re: Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to Jeff W, 03-16-2001 19:46:46  
the shear bolt is the key i have an old 46 that alwats broke the shear bolt so i thought i would put a grade five in it not a good idea.



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chuck

03-17-2001 15:30:47




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to mike schwab, 03-17-2001 04:18:46  
i have been working on all types of bailers for about thirty years my experiance with any baler that breaks pto shafts is that the slip clutch is froze up or the pto shaft does not telescope in and out,if the baler sat for a long time loosen the slip clutch bolts up till the pto will turn the slip clutch this will clean any rust off the disc,then retighten bolts back.grab the pto shaft when it is unhooked from the tractor and see if it slides in and out easy.a rusted or bent baler pto shaft will break the tractor pto. when you turn or go up and down the pto shaft has to slide in and out when under power this can be a lot of force,i have seen alot of pto,s broke this way.but i would check both,good luck,dont blame the Ih baler

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HAYSAM

03-17-2001 09:59:12




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 45 baler, breaks PTO's ? in reply to mike schwab, 03-17-2001 04:18:46  
MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PTO SHAFT IS THE RIGHT LENGTH AND THAT THE U JOINTS ARE TURNED THE RIGHT WAY I USED A 45 ON AOLIVER 77 BACK IN THE 50'S



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