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Build a finish mower?

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Mark

04-30-2001 09:37:27




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Has anyone ever heard of this? I need a finish mower to mow about 6 acres with my 35HP tractor. I really need something that will last, but will find it hard to justify the $1500 that a good one will cost. Especially with the wife. I can buy Steel here for 50 cents a pound and I'm thinking i'd need about $250 worth.
So the question is can this save me some money? I'm handy with a welder.
I'm thinking a bush hog gearbox, run to some pulleys to run three spindles with belts.

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PLOWBOY

05-04-2001 06:00:22




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 Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 04-30-2001 09:37:27  
BOY!Iam sure glad that some of our great inventors didnt have some of this way of thinking..... ...(Henry Ford)No!I havent got time to invent the Auto.I've got to feed my horses.....I'll just wait untel one comes along,and buy it) Or Tom Edison....NO! I cant do the light bulb,,Ive got to make more candles! Mark you go right ahead and build that mower,and have fun doing it and dont spend to much TIME on this form... you've got a mower to build!!!!

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Bill

05-01-2001 07:54:17




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 Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 04-30-2001 09:37:27  
I built a 5 ft. center mount mower for my Farmall A in 1965. At the time I couldn't afford a new one and could not find a used one. I had to make the spindles, now you can buy them at most of the farm supply stores. It took some engineering to get the belt drive right. It give me a feeling of accomplishment to find that it worked and I used it for 34 years. It needed some repair and I happened to find a used Woods in the classified section. I bought that and since it was this time of year I told my wife it was her mother's day present. Since she won't let me cut the grass, and sure looks good driving that red tractor. If you want to do it "go for it", it can be done.

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Joe Evans

04-30-2001 21:29:15




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 Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 04-30-2001 09:37:27  
All these posts have merit especially Gary's. Your time is worth something. Why re-invent the wheel? You obviously have a hankerin' to tinker with something as do I. You might do what I did. I bought a derelict ZTR mower for a song. All the big money items were there--engine, axle drives, and spindles. I went throught the bearings, belts, and chains on the drives. The deck had a few bad spots which I repaired. After about 3 weeks and $200 in parts and paint, I got a pretty good reliable ZTR for a total of $750 that I put about 4 hours on per week. I even improved the cut and underdeck clipping flow by adding some well-placed blade shrouding. Try this tact. In your case, I suspect you want a 3-pt hitch finish mower. This is good as you have ample HP to play with. If you want to do "design", buy a junker 3-pt finish mower, fix it up and fiddle around with bumping up the spindle RPMs using different pulley sizes. (Be reasonable about the final tip speed! Max is about 20,000 FPM on a 20" long blade.) Or goof around making a spindle blade holder that will accept two blades on one spindle. This will double the cuts per revolution. But I would not build one from scratch.

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Butch

05-01-2001 04:44:58




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 Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Joe Evans, 04-30-2001 21:29:15  
I like argueing about this subject Joe, so don't take it personal but how does a person determine what his time is worth in a case like this. I agree with you that Mark could probably rebuild a worn out mower cheaper than building one from scratch, but it seems like most people only use that "your time is worth something" quote as an excuse for lazyness. Never heard anyone say that they couldn't sit on their rear and watch TV 'cause their time was worth too mutch, only hear it when it comes saving manual labor. If he has to take some days off work, or let other important things go undone in order to build his mower then that time is worth something. Otherwise it's worth a big fat zero. Looks like you value your dollars more than your TV time also, sounds like a lot of work was done on your mower.

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gary

05-01-2001 06:21:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Butch, 05-01-2001 04:44:58  
Butch,
I have a pretty simple formula for determining, how much my time is worth, and it doesn't have anything to do with watching TV. Most of us work for a living and have an hourly wage or a salary. That salary is a rough estimate of what your time is "worth". If you earn $10 and hour, and it takes you 10 hours to build something that you can buy for $50, I'd say you are wasting your time, based on some very elementary math.
The are other practical considerations. How long will it take to get the basic materials and fabricate the brush hog? If it takes most of the summer, and the weeds get high and can't be mowed because the machine isn't built, what has been gained?
If the task or project also qualifies as a hobby, then of course the "time is money" aspect does not apply, because the practical aspect goes out the window. This is one of the intangibles in this formula that only Mark can address.
My advice to Mark came as the result of years of experience in getting 2/3 of the way through a "do it yourself" project and finally realizing that 1)I had already spent as much as I would have if I hired a skilled professional to do the work, 2) If I had hired someone, the job would be done by now, and 3) by the time I get done, I will have MORE money spent than if I had hired a professional. The same applies to the purchase and repair of tractors, equipment, and implements. Don't buy used if you can afford new, and don't work on it yourself unless you enjoy the work and are not pressed for time.
A hundred people could look at this question and each one have their own slant on it, of course. (Even your term "laziness" is a relative concept. Some practical people might consider playing 18 holes of golf as being lazy, or spending time in front of a computer (Responding, as I am, to your post e.g.), or playing a game of chess.) My point is that I do have a very clear idea of what MY time is worth, and I value that time highly, as I am sure most people do. In conclusion, how I spend my time is more important to me than how I spend my money, and from my point of view, bassed on my own experience it would be more efficient for Mark to buy a brush hog than build one.

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bob

05-02-2001 13:13:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to gary, 05-01-2001 06:21:00  
Gary have you been teaching my wife this theory sounds just like her talking . Yes somethings get done better with hired help some have to have own hands on but time is a big rlement don,t matter who you are we only get 24 hours a day and there may be no tommorrows spend it wisely



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Butch

05-01-2001 10:29:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to gary, 05-01-2001 06:21:00  
Gary, Mark must decide which he values more, his spare time or his money. The term lazy was a bad choice I admit. I too hire out work that I could do myself because I would rather spend time doing the things I like to do. I did not say that Mark would be smart to spend more money building it himself than buying one, and I did not say that a person should do everything himself. What I didn't exactly say but meant to imply is, If a person puts a DOLLAR value on his spare time as you suggest, then shouldn't he be paying himself for doing the work? If you don't then where did your hypothetical $10 an hour go, thin air? example; We will take your $10 an hour, say Mark spends $400 for parts and 20 hours building it. You would say it cost Mark $600, How did he spend another $200? I say it cost Mark $400 and if a new mower would have cost him the same $600 then he made himself $200 divided by 20 hours which equals $10 an hour. Another examle; same cost for parts, $400, but 'ol Mark spends 200 hours building it. You say it cost him $2400. I say it cost him the same $400 but he only made $1 an hour for his trouble. Mark is not wrong by trying to save real dollars by building one. What is wrong is your notion that he must charge himself time for building it and apply that charge to the cost of his mower, but then that money evaporates somehow and is lost. Poorly planned and executed projects are a loser for sure, Your experiences must have lacked one or both. The fact remains that IF he builds the mower for less money SPENT than he could have bought one for then he saved money. If he wants to charge $10 an hour for his labor fine, but put it in a jar so it can be spent later.

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Robert in W. Mi.

05-01-2001 14:52:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Butch, 05-01-2001 10:29:41  
99% of the time the home built projects that take some engineering skills, don't work as good as a "real" factory model. To me, you don't save anything if you have to use some thing that looks as good, but doesn't work as good. Yea, i know, some work better, but the average person trying to save $$$ won't have one as good!! Robert



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Mark

05-01-2001 07:57:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to gary, 05-01-2001 06:21:00  
Some great comments here. Thanks all.
While I do enjoy fixing up old equipment and it is somewhat of a hobby, I also don't like to throw money away. Probably a middle ground is where I'll go. Perhaps a used mower that I can throw some parts at. Now I just have to find one. I haven't seen very many at auction, but I know they are around. It's the $1500-$2000 new costs that were getting me. Or spend $1000 on one that won't last. I got a bad habit of trying to save a buck and spend two.

Thanks everybody.

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Jim WI

05-01-2001 10:26:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 05-01-2001 07:57:56  
"Or spend $1000 on one that won't last."

My 6-foot King Kutter finish mower cost just over $1000 (including sales tax). It's now four years old. So far, I've changed the belt once.

It looks about the same now as when I bought it.

Take another look at what you can get for $1000.



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gary

04-30-2001 18:58:24




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 Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 04-30-2001 09:37:27  
Mark,
With all due respect, I think you are nuts to even consider it. Your welding skills will come in handy even if you buy a NEW brush hog, but what you are considering is what I have done many, many times, and it hasn't worked for me. Your time is worth something, actually much more than you think. My advice to you is, take your time, look for a good used brush hog, and then you will actually be able to cut your grass/weeds, instead of repairing/building your equipment.
Like all women, your sweet wife brings some practicality to the table. Tell your wife you want a good one so you won't have to spend so much time repairing it, and you can spend more time with her! She'll understand then.

Good luck whatever happens!
Gary

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Robert in W. Mi.

04-30-2001 15:11:34




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 Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 04-30-2001 09:37:27  
I've seen good usable 5' Woods mowers here for $500.00. If you don't get the spindles placed exactly right, it will skip when you turn. That's why some of the cheapo ones skip so badly. I sold an excelent 48" Woods for $350.00, when i bought my Grass Hopper. Once you use a Grass Hopper, you'll never want to use a tractor for mowing again! I'd look for a good used finish mower, and pay the $$ it cost. With good service, it will last a very long time. Robert

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paul

04-30-2001 11:55:57




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 Re: Build a finish mower? in reply to Mark, 04-30-2001 09:37:27  
Can buy a working used one for $500-$800 here. I'm thinking a new gearbox, three spindles, 3 blades, 2 belts, & a pto shaft with 2 knuckles will run you some real money.

--->Paul



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