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430 Baler Knotting Problems

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Mark

05-21-2001 11:03:22




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I have a 430 baler that won't knot correctly on one side. It acts like the twine is getting cut after it is knotting. I HAVE ordered a service manual, but it won't be in for at least 2 weeks. I need to bale hay before then!

I have found that the baler works better with heavy twine, but it is supposed to be an "all twine", so I figure it should be able to handle any kind of twine. Also, when the bales get too tight, the knots break easily.

I have removed both knotters and cleaned them. I am in the process of comparing the good one to the one that doesn't work right. I haven't found any parts that are broken or excessively worn. The knives are sharp. I'm almost sure the problem is adjustment/timing.

If anybody has any experience on this any would offer any tips, I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Mark

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jeff flaharty

05-28-2001 20:03:36




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 Re: 430 Baler Knotting Problems in reply to Mark, 05-21-2001 11:03:22  
I found that switching the cut off assemblies a good way to help isolate the problem. If the problem switches sides then you knoe it is in the knife if it does not, then the problem is elsewhere.



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Mark

05-22-2001 10:16:52




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 Re: 430 Baler Knotting Problems in reply to Mark, 05-21-2001 11:03:22  
Thanks for your input guys.

I will try running slower and will check the shims. The problem I have is that my '45 B JD is a little tired. This baler would be a handful even if the tractor was fresh, especially in a thick windrow. Of course running at a higher rpm helps me get through the tough spots. I have another tractor in the restoration process which will have a lot more power when done, and will relieve the poor '45 of its baler duties.

For now, I will match the adjustments of the good knotter on the other one and re-bale some leftover hay. I'll let you know what happens.

Mark

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George

05-22-2001 05:40:24




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 Re: 430 Baler Knotting Problems in reply to Mark, 05-21-2001 11:03:22  
Mark: Baler speed should be a plunger stroke about every second , one thousand one, plunge. one thousand two, plunge , one thousand three, plunge etc. the slower the better.Got an ol'45T and farmers say they are junk but if you don't run them fast the work nicely but you do have to be mechanicaly inclined and understand the operation. luck, Geo.



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wheat straw

05-23-2001 20:16:36




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 Re: Re: 430 Baler Knotting Problems in reply to George, 05-22-2001 05:40:24  
you have a 45t, what is it compared to a 50t. I've watched a many a bale slip through an old 50t dad bought about 1957. road the twine boxes and tied off the misses. when he had her tuned up and tying, he could poke a lot of hay through it. He used it untill the casting up over the knotters broke. junked it out about 63, or 64. Paid for itself many times over.



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Tom from Ontario

05-21-2001 13:35:25




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 Re: 430 Baler Knotting Problems in reply to Mark, 05-21-2001 11:03:22  
How's your engine speed? From the very first International balers onward, full throttle or even 540 shaft speed will make you curse the day you saw the baler. If you back off on the speed, it may work a lot better. A neighbour was having the same trouble with his 47 baler, it never worked right. As soon as he slowed down, it ran like a clock. Good Luck.



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Keewaydin

05-21-2001 12:50:00




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 Re: 430 Baler Knotting Problems in reply to Mark, 05-21-2001 11:03:22  
I'm not familiar with the 430 but I do know that on my old International the distance between the knotter plates makes a difference. If the plates are too far apart (have too many shims between them) it won't hold the end of the twine while the bale is making up so there's only one end for the bill hook to grab. If we change to a different weight twine we may have to adjust the shims. I'd check the distance between the plates on both the twine sides. I think this measurement should be the same if you're using the same twine on both sides. Good luck, we're not quite into haying here yet in south-central Maine.

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