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Balers round or Square

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AJZ

06-21-2001 11:28:00




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Which type is better?
Ive heard different stories about both.
Why is one used for cattle the other for horses?




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Bob

06-22-2001 10:25:09




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 Re: balers round or Square in reply to AJZ, 06-21-2001 11:28:00  
I bale with both round and square balers. If I had the storage and the health to handle them, I like square bales best for the few animals I keep (horses). There is less waste and fewer problems feeding when the weather has turned the feeding area into a mud pit. The downside to square bales is that they require a lot of handling and help has become impossible to find. The people who buy hay from me feed cattle and want the round bales. The previous poster was right about horses needing a higher quality hay. I think I read somewhere that cattle have 3? stomachs and this allows them to digest things (like mold) that will cause a horse to colic. If a horse colics the best to hope for is a vet bill. If not caught in the early stages, colic can kill a horse. Otherwise sometimes the vet can save them if treated in time. So horse owners tend to be very picky about their hay for a reason.

Having said that - I put up enough square bales to fill in during winter emergencies for my horses but do feed round bales most of the time. There is a lot of waste with round bales, but I can move them with equipment rather than my back. I remove the outer 'shell' on the round bale until I cannot see or smell mold and since I've bales them myself I know they were extra dry when they were baled. Of course the throw-away outer shell is waste that you have to dispose of, and after the 'mulch' gets about a foot think on the garden, the wife will usually say something about it. I think she's beginning to figure out where all those weeds she fights for 20 hours a day in her garden come from too, so that plan may be going away next year ;). And if you feed round bales you will need a feeder to put them in. It didn't take me long to discover that a penned up horse gets bored and it doesn't take them long to figure out that a round bale will roll - makes a wonderful toy - and as it unrolls they can pick out only the very best leaves, then stand on the stuff they've picked over when they unroll another few feet. Give them an hour or so and they'll show you how many 'feet' of hay was in the bale.

So that's what little I know about it. Hope it helps.

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Burrhead

06-22-2001 19:19:35




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 Re: Re: balers round or Square in reply to Bob, 06-22-2001 10:25:09  
That's absolutely right Bob. A cow can handle hay that is lower in quality and has mold in it due to the stomachs, and besides that they need plenty of fiber to keep from getting a twisted gut.

The hosses can get bloat, foundered, and poisoned by moldy hay, plus that, moldy and dusty hay can "windbreak" a hoss. They call it windbroke but what actually happens is that the mold and dust get in the hoss' lungs and can give the hoss the same thing that humans have and we call it enphysema when people have it. It's a miserable way to see and animal die or have to be put down.

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Matt Sheaffer

06-22-2001 09:27:55




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 Re: balers round or Square in reply to AJZ, 06-21-2001 11:28:00  
I have both round and square balers I'd say there both very good.



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Burrhead

06-21-2001 19:20:25




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 Re: balers round or Square in reply to AJZ, 06-21-2001 11:28:00  
The reason you need square baled hay is because moldy dusty hay will kill or make a hoss or goat sick.

You can control hay quality better with small squares and you won't have as much nutrient lost to rot and sun bleaching.

It is almost impossible to keep mold and dust out of round bale hay unless you shed it, plus the nutrient level will almost always be lower with round.

The main reason people went to round hay is the lesser amount of labor needed to harvest and feed out compared to square, plus you can round bale hay while it is more moist than square hay, there by you save some time, but on the other hand you will lose anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of the hay to spoilage and trampled from round bales unless you shed or plastic wrap them.

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ksmith

06-21-2001 16:36:18




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 Re: balers round or Square in reply to AJZ, 06-21-2001 11:28:00  
I too am debating this. We started last year with 10 sheep, 2 heifers and a steer. We needed hay for the winter so we had 17 acres of grass round baled thinking it would be easier to handle. It was cheaper to have made and easier to handle and store (loader and some left outside) but we got a lot of snow and couldn't put it in for the animals with the loader so we ended up with the bales in the barn unrolling them as we needed.
This year we will do some round bales but all the good stuff will go into squares. We bought an old square baler and are just getting ready to go with it. It seems to me if you are not a big operation a mix is the best way to go as it gives lots of options. Horses really like squares. Up here a guy was running around this past winter buying good round bales of hay and re-baling them into squares to ship down to the states (Fla. I believe)
Hope this helps

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paul

06-21-2001 12:11:28




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 Re: balers round or Square in reply to AJZ, 06-21-2001 11:28:00  
Horse people feed a couple horses, need small square bales they can lift.

Cattle people want a lot of volume cheaply, so they use large round.

Dairy folks wanted small squares to mix in high-quality alfalfa with the feed, but as dairies get bigger, they are going to more & more round bales.

Now large square bales are becoming popular, easier to stack & haul on semis out west.

--->Paul



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