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Homemade 2 Wheel Trailer Surge Brakes and Help?.

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BlueLite

09-05-2001 08:55:36




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Gonna build a 2 wheel trailer out of a school bus front end "I" beam. It's complete with brakes and 20in wheels and the law says I need brakes. Is it a big job to mount a master cylinder on a box steel telescoping tongue. What strength return spring do I need for 4000lbs carrying.? 2000lbs?. How much tongue weight should I have?. I read somewhere that I'll need a backup pin
to prevent activation when reversing. I'm going to use 4 rows of 4in channel length wise with a 18in high strut and guy arrangement on my outer channels to keep the bed straight. It's going to 8ft wide by 11ft long. I may need to carry my tractor with it one day.

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Doc

09-05-2001 19:21:21




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 Re: Homemade 2 Wheel Trailer Surge Brakes and Help?. in reply to BlueLite, 09-05-2001 08:55:36  
I would be cautious about fabriacting a master cylinder setup for surge brakes. They can be bought as a coupler master cylinder unit for 100 - 150 dollars. I would try this route. Whichever way you go, make sure the master cylinder displaces enough fluid within the limits of travel you want. Have you priced an axle with springs and brakes? They are not too bad, but I guess I don't know you're budget or location. It is always nice to use what you have to build stuff, but when you are hauling valuable equipment on the road, safer is better. Doc.

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paul

09-05-2001 10:16:26




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 Re: Homemade 2 Wheel Trailer Surge Brakes and Help?. in reply to BlueLite, 09-05-2001 08:55:36  
Others know a lot more about trailers, but I would not want to haul a tractor for any distance on a single axle trailer. It will be very bumpy ride. I bet those that know will want you to re-think this.

Surge brakes are not liked by the DOT any more, you best check if they are still legal for your application.

In my neck of the woods you do not need brakes for 3000 lb trailers, but do for those over 3000lb. When you say 4000 or 2000 lbs, do you mean the load weight? That really isn't important, you need to know the gross weight of the trailer & load. As well, you need to know the total gross weight of the entire rig and make sure your pickup (or whatever) is rated for that total gross weight as well. There are many things to cover on this issue.

Here in Minnesota if you are actively farming and only hauling _your_ farm-related items within 150 miles (75 miles? Uh-oh...) you don't need a licence on the trailer, or very much of any of the DOT stuff if you stay off the interstates. Other states can be extremely strict on these issues.

So, you need total weight, and you need to know your state laws, and where you will be driving....

Hope this rambling helps a little until those that know tell you the real facts. :)

--->Paul

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BlueLite

09-05-2001 14:33:11




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 Re: Re: Homemade 2 Wheel Trailer Surge Brakes and Help?. in reply to paul, 09-05-2001 10:16:26  
I would be hauling 4000lbs max. By 2000lbs I
mean what would be the return spring pressure be
to take the horizontal load off the master cylinder piston when the vehicle starts forward again. I guess the momentum of the vehicle moving
forward would do that because the inner tubing would move forward. But just to help that along,
it would be nice to have a spring to add to the back pressure.

I agree and understand what you are saying, but the only reason I would be using it is for is to take the tractor to the shop for repairs and buying implements on occasion.
It's going to see grass around the tires most of the time and won't be for continuous use. I can
use back roads most of the time.

A 2 axle would be the ideal, in fact I have to
have 2 jack posts at the rear when loading to
take the load off the hitch when loading which is not the ideal situation. But it's the cheapest setup I can think of.

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Phil (VA)

09-13-2001 12:06:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Homemade 2 Wheel Trailer Surge Brakes and Help?. in reply to BlueLite, 09-05-2001 14:33:11  
You can probably find a used Hudson double axle trailer fully wired with electric brakes and breakaway control for less than $1,000 if you shop around. Check the "Trading Post" publications, etc. I have one here in VA I'd sell reasonable if you are interested.



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