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An Older Square Baler(s)

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Robert Phillips

09-10-2001 09:33:39




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I have a JD 4700 and was looking at doing a little haying on my property, only about 4 to 6 acres in hay. This would be my first experience in haying so I am uncertain about a lot of things including implements. Purpose would be for my horses and maybe to sell a little.

Could anyone recommend a baler for my tractor? For those unfamiliar with this tractor: 48 HP, 4x4, Hydrostatic trans., 540 PTO Cat I 3-point. With it being a Cat I 3-point hitch and only 48 hp will it handle a small baler like JD’s older models 14T or 24T? Or is there any other manufacturer that may have made balers for Cat I s? Any help is much appreciated. Also how about an older hay rake, any suggestions? What other implements are useful for haying?

Robert
Texas

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Wendell Baker

02-14-2006 06:42:37




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
I have an old Ann Arbor stationary baler.Model Twenty Type 1B149 Shop#25E17, Built by Ann Arbor Machine Company, Shelbyville Illinois. I would like to know where I can find more information on the baler. The baler is complete and I have it in turning order. If anyone can help me, please do.



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T.J.

09-12-2001 08:06:01




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
I use a small New Holland 66 baler that has its own engine and pull it with an Allis Chalmers C I move it around the yard with my Farmall Cub and it pulls it fine but I wouldnt try to bale with it but it does pull it.T.J.



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Josh/Riverview Farms, NC

09-12-2001 07:45:20




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
First off, you can't go wrong with New Holland for the rake or the baler. You will see many more NH rakes and balers still in the fields that you will any other. I have a NH 269 sq. baler and a NH 56 rake and we sq bale 1800 bales or more for each cutting and we also use the rake for rolling hay also. Square balers are somewhat complicated, aggravating, and hard work. It will take you a while to get use to it, and accidents will happen. The timing on the balers easily jump, therefore making the needle arms break because the plunger comes back while the needles are up instead of the needles coming up while the plunger is back. Like others have said, you can pull a baler with a small tractor, especially on level ground. You will be moving slow, so speed is not a problem. The hydrostatic trans will work great for baling. If you look at the New Holland website, it will tell you what HP requirements there are for each size baler and rake. For raking and baling, the main thing is to take your time until you get use to running them.

Good Luck.

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Robert Phillips

09-11-2001 21:21:00




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
First I would like to thank all of you who have taken the time to help me out with my previous question. I would also like to add a few things, in consideration of some of your post. My tractor is a 2001, bought in March, weight with loader is right around 5,200 lbs. give or take a little. I use a JD MX7 (lift type) Rotary mower (around 1,300 lbs +), I have no problems using this mower. From what I have got from all of you, I should have no problem with a small baler and even trailer if I wanted. My property is quite flat so no worries as far as slopes & stopping, etc…..

Next question, to any of you familiar with the West Texas area, what are the best grasses, what are typical yearly yields, and average cuttings per year. So far from my research and through questioning a few around here, answers have been Costal Bermuda, 1.5 to 2 tons (still questioning) and 2 to 3 cuttings. Tomorrow I am going to talk with my local agricultural extension agent. Should get most of my answers there I would expect, just interested in others opinions. I believe I will also go talk with an acquaintance whose dad farms 160 acres of Costal yearly, ought to get some good advice from him.
Again thanks to all of ya’ for the input.

Robert

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tlak

09-15-2001 05:30:32




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 Re: Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-11-2001 21:21:00  
Grass doesnt grow in TX. Lived there all my life till a few years ago, Didnt bale but bought hay for horses. Back to the first comment, the way the growers/sellers worked their hay is they would sell the first cutting or two and save the last for them throught the winter. In the last few years because of lack of rain they might only get the one cutting and then wouldnt have anything left for them. Some people irregated but you have to be close to a reliable free source of water. The other thing the gr/se did was put extra hay up through the winter and sell it in the spring at a higher price. I now live in KY and we could cut heavy all summer. I thought about shipping to to Tx.

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Dennis

09-12-2001 14:17:20




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 Re: Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-11-2001 21:21:00  
try agpublications.tamu.edu
NK37 or giant will do 4T/acre along I45/I35
the A&M site has more info by county and uses, as well as requirements for fertilizer, bedding, etc.



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Jerry D in NC

09-12-2001 02:50:39




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 Re: Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-11-2001 21:21:00  
Robert, I would let coastal be the final choice. It seems that coastal bermuda is raising some suspicion about increased colic attacks in horses. The blade is fine and may be helping to cause impactions. I don't know of any vets that will feed their own horses coastal.



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Jerry D in NC

09-12-2001 02:53:05




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 Re: Re: Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Jerry D in NC, 09-12-2001 02:50:39  
The wording I used was not very good. I would let coastal be my last choice not my final choice if I could help it. It is better than nothing but the risk does seem to be there. Contact your closest Vet school and see if they have any more information



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joe ks

09-11-2001 18:10:06




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
Well not too much to add. Just that you will probably not like a 3-point mower or rake, opt for the pull variety. As for rake the PTO type is not bad, just sound awful and in heavy hay you don't slip the drive wheel. As for baler and wagon. I don't use a wagon behind the baler just come back and pick it up with the truck or a trailer. Good luck!



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paul

09-11-2001 12:08:45




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
An older small square baler takes less than 20 hp to run the baler. It also takes less than 20 hp to pull the tractor & baler through the field. Sickle mowers & siderakes take even less hp to pull, so you have the power, no problem.

I believe what you have is a compact tractor, and your problem will be controlling the baler. These are a lot heavier than they look, and they have a big heavy plunger making them shake & push the tractor, as well as a flywheel that has interesting physics when turning. So, you need a heavy tractor. We like to pull a hayrack with 100 bales or more behind the baler, this can be 3 tons or more weight just the wagon. Get this on a hill, and you need a _real_ good way to stop the whole big long train. This requires _weight_ on the tractor side of the train. (It also takes weight to get the train rolling, but you won't kill yourself by not getting going...)

Know that your tractor is heavy enough to handle the load before investing the money. This is the issue you have. Power is plenty. You might use the 3-point with the mower but most all _are_ cat 1; you can find 3-point hay rakes but not as common, also most all _are_ cat 1; the baler won't use the 3-point, altho you can bend the pto with a 3-point arm getting in the way on corners....

--->Paul

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Larry

09-11-2001 06:00:42




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
You have enough horsepower there to run any small square baler. JD 214 or 224 were pretty good balers. The knotters are the biggest problem usaully with these old ones, so when you buy look for one you can still get parts for.



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Mark A

09-11-2001 05:29:27




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
I have a JD 14t bailer and can pull it behind a Super C farmall, when my JD 3020 is hooked to something else. This is a good simple small bailer, and works great. Get a New Holland 256 side delivery rake, they are indestructible and should be able to be found anywhere. As far as a cutter, you have many options. A sickle mower would be fine. But if you have alot of gopher mounds (or fire ant mounds as we have here in Texas) you would be better suited with a spin cutter also known as a disc cutter. They cut through anything, including fence posts if you get too close. Most of these fit on the Cat 1 3 pt. and work on the 540 pto. Probably your main concern as far as a cutter will be to find one that is the easiest to hook up and unhook from your tractor. Most people have a tractor connected to their cutter the whole hay season, to save from hooking up and unhooking. By the way, you have more than enough hp for any of these inplements. The rake and bailer I mentioned are pulled on your drawbar and have nothing to do with your 3 pt. Good luck.

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sammy the RED

09-10-2001 22:47:12




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
My brother just baled 3rd cutting with his 35 h.p. New Holland Boomer and #268 baler.



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Dustin

09-10-2001 21:02:01




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
I do some hay work, just for a hobby mostly and to feed some sheep. I use an old #100 Ih sickle bar mower on a newer Kubota 40 hp tractor. I bought this mower and an old Ih side delivery 5 bar rake at a sale, $100 for both. I've had good luck with a JD 24T sq balier running it with a 400 Farmall, It doesn't take much to run the bailer, but if you plan on pulling a rack at the same time, be sure you can pull, and more importantly, stop that too. The trick to sq baling is the size of windrow, the rest is just keeping everything well lubed and adjusted. Hope this helps, Dustin

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Mark

09-10-2001 10:32:03




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
Robert,

I agree with Stan. My JD B is rated at 18.5 PTO hp and is stuck with baling duties for now. It does the job. I have an IH 430 square baler, which is a pretty good size baler, although I would like to trade for a green one when the opportunity arises. I think you would be happy with a 24T. As far as rakes, a side-delivery wheel-driven one is probably your best bet. 5 bars is better than 4. One with the dolly wheel and hitch would be great, but they are much more expensive. A 3-pt sickle mower, such as a JD #9 is all you need. Let us know what you decide on.

Mark

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Stan in AL

09-10-2001 10:10:07




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 Re: An Older Square Baler(s) in reply to Robert Phillips, 09-10-2001 09:33:39  
Hello Robert,
I'm not a lot of help, but I'll offer what I've got. Others with lots of experience will probably be along later to do the job right. The 48 hp you've got is more than enough to pull an older square baler, which is what you probably want for horse hay anyway. And the square baler is lots cheaper, and will do more than what you're asking of it. Lots of square bales have been baled with 20 something hp JD's. A used sickle-bar mower shouldn't be very expensive, and will do the job of cutting the hay for you. You're in for some really good fun learning, but you might enjoy it. A pull-type rake will probably be the best way to go for raking too, so the cat1 hitch is of no consequence to you. All of the equipment can be pulled from the drawbar. When you get finished with the first 5 acres, after doing most all of it yourself, with a little help hauling (maybe wifey driving while you load the wagon?) you may be glad it's not 50 acres! Good luck and have lots of fun.

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