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Disk or not to disk?

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C.C.

03-03-1999 16:38:21




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I've got a small bottom(about an acre an a half) that has been reclaimed after mining. I'm getting ready to sow hay(a good mix, timothy, red clover, orchard grass, fesque, etc.)I've already been over the bottom with a disk to point to where I think it's ready to sow. There is not much good top soil so I'm afraid to plow. I was wondering if after I sow, should I go over it again lightly? I'm new(and also very young) at this so any help woould be greatly appreciated. At this point it seems like I just guess at whatever I do. I was also wondering if anybody could tell me exactly what was in Kentucky 31? Thanks

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ek

03-08-1999 14:19:43




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 Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to C.C., 03-03-1999 16:38:21  
don't disk, but make sure the soil moisture is correct. not too dry but definately not wet. sow the seed and borrow a roller-packer of some sort. wee used a drag float with weights on it, but carefull not to bury seed too deep. let the roots, worms, and frost do your tillage.



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Dennis H.

03-04-1999 20:02:28




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 Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to C.C., 03-03-1999 16:38:21  
You have alot of opinions on seeding already, I'll talk a little on the last part of your question. Ky 31 fescue is a very hearty fescue strain. It is very tolerant of adverse conditions and grows well. The seed is costly compared to other older types of forage grasses. It does have it's problems tho...
If you have cattle grazing on older established fescue, it can cause tetany. Also, you would not want to feed it to pregnant mares (horses) as it has been related to a high incidence of still born foals. This is mainly true with older stands. Also, if you want a mixed grass hay, the fescue will eventually overwhelm other types of grass. This is a type of chemical warfare on the root level. The fescue emits a growth retardant via it's roots that will stunt the growth of anything in competition with it. So. if you mix it in, expect it to eventually take over. These are my thoughts, hope it helps.

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Tom

03-04-1999 19:09:08




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 Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to C.C., 03-03-1999 16:38:21  
I wouldnt disk,I used to work on a sod farm,and we would use a chesil plow,then a brillon mulcher with aggresive crows feet,and then a brillon seeder.If we determined that the seed needed any cover we would use a section of cyclone fence behind the Honda four wheeler.To harvest sod your field has to be as level as a table top and this system worked very well.Good luck



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Paul Fox

03-04-1999 03:21:34




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 Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to C.C., 03-03-1999 16:38:21  
I've seeded quite a bit of grass, particularly on new lawns around construction. What works best for me is to prep the bed much as you have done, broadcast the seed, and then run over it with a flat roller which just presses the seed into the soil. Grass seed will rot before sprouting if it's buried too deep. The spring-tooth harrow should probably work alright too, but if you have access to a large enough roller, you might want to try that.

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Gerald

03-03-1999 17:48:01




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 Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to C.C., 03-03-1999 16:38:21  
I've not had very good luck disking in grass seed. Probably buried it way too deep. Most grass seeds needs only a quarter or half inch. Probably the best way is to run a cultipacker over the ground, spread the seed and run the cultipacker over it again. In theory the second pass should just split the ridges from the first pass. Brillion makes a seed that actually does that. Grass seed works best with a fairly firm seed bed. Better than disking it in, drag the patch with a flexible spike tooth harrow.

Gerald

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C Stephan

03-03-1999 19:07:44




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 Re: Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to Gerald, 03-03-1999 17:48:01  
There are many brands of good disk out there,I have used several JD,Krause,Schaefer,Willard,and others And after disking several thousand acres in very abrasive sandy soil. I find that an International disk do not wear down near as fast as the others. they seem to be heat treated or hardned through all the way as opposed to being hardned along the cutting edge only. Although I really don't care for the frame of the international ,I belive there disk are good.

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C Stephan

03-03-1999 19:14:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to C Stephan, 03-03-1999 19:07:44  
Sorry for the mixup, this should have gone to Buggsy.IT's been a long day. thanks



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paul

03-03-1999 18:49:40




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 Re: Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to Gerald, 03-03-1999 17:48:01  
Yup, go down a few messages to the picture of a harrow, and use that. The disk will burry the seed too deep.

--->Paul



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Rick S

03-07-1999 21:16:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to paul, 03-03-1999 18:49:40  
Well My Dad Always Used A Drag(Harrow) and then a Roller to compact the seed bed But that was in N.W. Iowa but it worked real good up there ( An old Bed Spring With some Cement Blocks on It would work if you DidNt Have a lot of area to cover)!!!! Rick S



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paul

03-08-1999 04:32:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Disk or not to disk? in reply to Rick S, 03-07-1999 21:16:09  
Drag, harrow - same thing. The only time we disked after planting was if we planted into un-worked corn stubble, and you had to plant quite a bit extra to make up for what got burried. Also a disk tends to ridge the ground, double-planting some areas & leaving bare areas.

--->Paul



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