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Richard

09-28-2001 18:40:49




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A wet spring, and we are finishing up our hay season later than usual. Well, was balin with a friends New Holland, I think a 723 Hayliner? Well, every time I come across a thick, bunched windrow, would break bales. String tie, powered with a 100 horse tractor in 1st gear. Should I creep slower through larger windrows? Was a pain to dismount and realign collecting string and driving back over broken bales.

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Bob in Kansas

10-01-2001 14:23:26




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 Re: Breakin Bales in reply to Richard, 09-28-2001 18:40:49  
Don't have this model but did bale with an earlier model that acted this way in 'damp' hay. If the windrows were properly dry it would miss a tie about every 150-200 bales on a bad day, but if the hay in the windrows was the least bit damp, usually one side would not tie for anything. It would miss every other bale or maybe tie both sides in one out of 3 bales. It would 'tell' me if there was too much dew right away. The heavier windrows would take longer to dry, and in the fall with lower temps it would take longer for the hay to dry. So for what it's worth - that was my experience with my hayliner - any dampness meant lots of frustration and broken bales.

Bob

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signman

09-29-2001 17:34:24




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 Re: Breakin Bales in reply to Richard, 09-28-2001 18:40:49  
You said you have a knot in one end. Does the knot contain strings from both ends or is the string really short with only the one end being tied. If you are feeding in bunches of hay you are experiencing extreme bale density in those areas. that is why you may have too much chamber tension. If the knot is only formed on one end your twine is slipping from the twine disc. If you have a knot formed with 2 strings it is being held by the billhooks but being cut by the wiper arm after tying. If you see the untied end of your string being tied and having come apart, you may have tucker fingers that are not moving freely or improper billhook tension. If the baler works fine in the lighter windrows just gear down and throttle back. that 100 hp tractor on a 45 horsepower baler isn't causing the baler to work better. It is just increasing the ability to run beyond its capacity. we run one of these balers for years and learned more power was to tempting to crowd those little balers.

Good luck

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Fudd@Work

09-28-2001 22:30:08




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 Re: Breakin Bales in reply to Richard, 09-28-2001 18:40:49  
If the bale tension is rather tight and you get in some greener hay, sometimes the knot will fail because the twine tension is way too tight. Are the bales unusually heavy when this happens? If so, try loosening the bale tension. Good luck.



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Dan

09-28-2001 20:29:22




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 Re: Breakin Bales in reply to Richard, 09-28-2001 18:40:49  
would guess maybe that is a 273? Should be a good baler. If it is breaking one string look for a rough spot where string travels, a small rough spot can cause a nick in string and it will break. It it is always on one side check for rough spots on knife arm where twine goes across it. Depends upon how bales are breaking. May be that in areas of heavy hay you are getting too much hay on one side or the other causing bale to be too long one one side so string comes off. Other thing to check is tension on twine from box and on bill hooks. If you can find an operator's manual on it or another similar twine baler, they usually have good trouble shooting for tying problems. If you let us know exactly how bales are beaking, ie at knot or one side or the other it would help.

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Richard Professional Firefighter

09-28-2001 21:09:25




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 Re: Re: Breakin Bales in reply to Dan, 09-28-2001 20:29:22  
I would find one twine broke and its opposite tied, also watching from the tractor seat, a broken bale would start out the back shute angled. As long as the bales fell out straight, they were ok. Yeah, it must be a 273, as its a friends baler, and I just glanced at it after I parked it last night. I'm returning tomorrow to bale another 500, so I was curious if I could cut down on the breaking problem.

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bbott

09-29-2001 14:48:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Breakin Bales in reply to Richard Professional Firefighter, 09-28-2001 21:09:25  
So it is knotting, but breaking the twine away from the knot ?

Don't know that particular baler, but you might check your 'haychecks'.. they are the little spring loaded 'catches' that extend into the bale chamber.

Commonly, junk gets built up underneath them, and then they won't extend fully into the baling chamber.

If that happens the plunger will start putting too much movement into the bale that's into the chute... stretches the twine and breaks it.
(don't ask me how I know).. Other posts about tension, bale density, rough spot in twine path all apply too.

bbott

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