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What is the right way to plow a new field?

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Ron

10-04-2001 09:37:44




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I have a section of land around 6 acres that I am wanting to turn into a good pasture. It is full of junk weeds and grass.
I have already used the brush hog on it and i am ready to plow.
As I plow using my MF model 62 3 bottom plow it plows great ripping the grass like sod. It however leaves small places in between each plow.
Do I plow in a criss cross pattern since it is the first time to rip it all?
next what do I do. Do I need to buy a drag harrow or a disc harrow to help remove the grass and work the ground?
Thank you for your advise
Ron

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Brian

10-06-2001 08:44:49




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but your rear wheel (furrow side) might need to be adjusted in. Run a straight edge from the inside of your right wheel to your first plow to make sure your cutting everything to the furrow, also check that your plow is level while right wheels are in furrow.



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doc

10-04-2001 16:35:56




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
One of the earlier posts was right, disc it first, then plow.

Some of the old instruction books for plows have great diagrams on opening a field, and finishing. Deere manuals have a good diagram as well as a Case manual I found over the weekend. Send your email address and I'll try to scan that page and send it too you.

Criss-crossing a plowed field wouldn't work well, especially if it's soddy, as you'd just roll the sod back over... After you plow it let it dry a few days and then disc it again.

Good moldboard plowing used to be kind of an art form, you could always tell the good farmers by the size of the headland (just short enough to turn the rig on) and the straightness of the furrow...

Thanks,

Doc

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Roy Howitt

10-05-2001 10:38:42




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 Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to doc, 10-04-2001 16:35:56  
Nice to see Doc agrees with me about discing it first. why I suggested spraying it off first is that if it is old pasture, even if you are the worlds greatest plowman and you use a brand new plow, there will be plenty of perennial weeds and grasses that will grow again from the roots, even if you achieve good trash burial. Thistles for example, if simply cut up, will germinate from every fragment of root. I once ploughed up a pasture without spraying it off, and planted it with Winter beans. It was a disaster! they filled up with twitch grass {which reproduces from stolons i.e. underground stems} so I had to spray the beans with a graminicide to kill the grass in the crop -- very expensive! anyway please yourself Regards, Roy.

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william l. brown

10-04-2001 14:14:31




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
RON, i would back furrow it. start in the center
of the field, and make a pass, then come back
right next to the first pass. called "back
furrow". if there is any unplowed part after
you get finished, then just make a pass at it.
william



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640 acres

10-04-2001 14:12:41




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
You said you "have a section of land around 6 acres". A section happens to be 640 acres!



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Duane(Pa)

10-06-2001 07:29:27




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 Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to 640 acres, 10-04-2001 14:12:41  
You must be an Okie or worse a Texican. Can't a guy ask a simple question without you guys snapping your braces? He wants to know about plowing not land area lexicon. YPMO Duane



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Roy Howitt

10-04-2001 12:46:39




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
I Know what I would do, but I'm English so we might do things different over here!
1. spray it off with Glyphosate {we call it roundup over here}leave it alone for 5 good days, that would kill all the old grass and weeds down to the roots.
2. give it a good discing over then roll it flat to give the plough {sorry plow!} something to "bite" against.
3. Then plow it, I know it is along way around but it should do an excellent job.
Regards from England, Roy

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ccarson

10-05-2001 09:23:39




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 Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Roy Howitt, 10-04-2001 12:46:39  
Roy,
Don't know of any Oliver 500's across the pond do you? A David Brown 850 cross , so to speak. C.



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Roy Howitt

10-05-2001 11:01:03




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 Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to ccarson, 10-05-2001 09:23:39  
I'm afraid I dont know of any Oliver 500's over here, I doubt if any got re-imported once they left the David Brown factory in Meltham, near Huddersfield. you probly know, the David Brown name is now extinct, now part of Case.



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Grangville, la

10-04-2001 11:40:50




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
What you need to do is run a pan plow over it. To see a pan plow look down at earlier post.



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Phil

10-04-2001 11:11:37




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 Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 09:37:44  
third party image

Does your plow have a sod cutter (coulter wheel)
on your plow. If your not familiar with what they
are look at the photo in the link. They are the
black metal wheel and they cut the sod so it will
turn over.

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Ron

10-04-2001 11:23:10




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 Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Phil, 10-04-2001 11:11:37  
Yes it does and the sod does turn over
Ron



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paul

10-04-2001 12:06:11




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 Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-04-2001 11:23:10  
It doesn't work to plow ground twice for several reasons. (Turns up the sod again, & WILL plug up the plow massively.)

Now, what strips are being left? Is it leaving a strip of grass between the 2 bottoms on the plow? Then something is not set right. Either your plow shares are wore too short, or the landsides are wore off & your plow is twisting to the left, or some such setting is way off.

If the plow is leaving a grass strip between each pass with the tractor, then you need to adjust the hitch or tractor wheel so it plows properly, so when your tractor wheel is in the furrow, the plow front bottom will turn all ground into the old furrow.

If you mean it is just leaving the ground lumpy & some of the loose chunks of sod are not turning under properly, this can be an assortment of adjustment problems. It can also be helped by putting wires on each coulter & letting them trail back into the furrows, helping to 'tuck' the sod under.

Or, is the plow skipping in & out of the ground, not penetrating well, leaving streaks that way? This happens with worn out plow shares and is much worse in very dry hard soil.

Let us know where the problem lies for better help. With proper adjustment & good iron on the bottoms, your plow should leave a level, almost totally black field under normal soil conditions. Lumpy & rough of course, but good.

--->Paul

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Ron

10-05-2001 03:23:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to paul, 10-04-2001 12:06:11  
Thank you to all who replied, even the person knowing that I was not refering to a "section" of land but rather as I stated a section of land around 6 acres, out of my 40 so you would know.
You all gave me several tips to get me on the right track. Paul, it is leaving a small strip of ground (grass) about two inches wide or so between each of the three plows. Does this sound like an adjustment or does it sound like my plow may be worn out?
I guess I need to buy a manual on it and go from there unless any of you have any other suggestions.
Currently I am borrowing the equipment. Would you suggest I buy pull type plows and disc's or three point. I understand the pull type are heavier and will work better in a harder soil. My ground is pretty hard, one for never being broke up, no rain and after about 4-6" it becomes a clay type soil.
Thank you for any additional advice. Bty I currently have an LA Case which is designed for pull type equipment but after tring to use this three bottom plow with my friends massey ferguson 65 approx 50hp colse to my LA which is currently down I am wondering if I should just lean more towards say a JD 4020 when my finances can afford it. what do you suggest?
Thanks again,
Ron

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Jerry D in NC

10-05-2001 05:37:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-05-2001 03:23:10  
If I am understanding you you have a problem with a 2 inch strip uncut between each of the 3 plows on a borrowed plow. First of all it sounds like someone put 14 inch points on a 16 inch plow to me but again that means money to fix a borrowed plow. You main objective is to break the ground turning under most of the surface weeds and grass so you can get a disk on it and level it back out and plant pasture grass. Plow it with what you got. A 2 inch strip is not going to be a problem after you have cut it the 3rd time with a disk. And a last point, 3 plows in dry hard ground is going to pull the heck out of any 50 hp tractor. I have a 48 hp IH and a set of 3-16's for when plowing is the right time of year and a set of 2-16's for when I got to plow and it ain't the right time of year. The 2-16's in the wrong time of year pulls it harder than the 3-16's when it is right. If this is a one time deal and you don't intend to plow this field regularly then just do with what you got and don't invest in something you don't need. BTW 3pt hitch is the way to go. I have never seen a time that a properly adjusted plow with a a good set of points wouldn't go in the ground.

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paul

10-05-2001 11:31:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Jerry D in NC, 10-05-2001 05:37:42  
Jon & Jerry have pretty good advise.

I personally wouldn't mind a trailer (pull-type) plow, I don't like the ridgidness of a 3-point (and actually use a 2-point with movable rear wheel on the bigger tractors now...). Just personal preference I guess. I also prefer older good equipment, I think the new stuff you buy at the local Fleet & Farm is too light to hold up/ work well.

I would suspect the plw could use longer plow shares. They go about $10 a pop at the local Fleet & Farm. If you wish to replace, take an old one off, take it along, & match up the holes. Many times 14, 16, & even 18" shares will match up. You want longer, especially for plowing up sod. Dad went as far as welding on 2-3" of an old share to make them longer for plowing alfalfa fields, as those roots don't like to cut off....

Does the plow pull straight behind, or is it sliding out to the un-plowed side? As stated, some have an adjustment for this, the trailing wheel has some control. Another big cause of this is worn out landsides, the long vertical part that slides along the furrows. Sometimes they get so worn out you don't realize how big & long they should be! On some plows the back one is (or used to be! :) extra long to help hold the plow in line.

In addition, it sounds like you are plowing the most difficult conditions - old sod when it is very dry. This is just plain hard. As others said, if this is a one-time deal, do the best you can, disk an extra time or two, and it will work out ok. It will also plow easier next year if that is what you wish to do. Plowing doesn't need to be perfect if you don't want it to be. :)

I am very, very surprised you can get a 50 hp tractor to plow through with a 3-16 plow. That is a difficult task in the soil & conditions you describe. To plow alfalfa with a 3-16, dad used to have to tie an Oliver 88 & at least the IHC 'H' together to get enough traction & power.

--->Paul

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Jon

10-05-2001 04:04:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-05-2001 03:23:10  
If the unploughed strip has been physically moved, could it be that the plough just isnt burying the trash properly. if so then the skimmers may need setting better also check that the plough legs are vertical to the soil when the tractor is in the furrow otherwise the soil won`t turn over properly. This can be altered by adjusting the height of one of the link arms (if its a turnover plough there are adjustable stops on the plough). If the plough won`t pull straight then adjust the cross shaft (between tractor linkage arms) usually by a screw and handle mechanism until it does (its cranked and this movement alters the ploughs horizontal angle of attack). Check the top link length to make sure all the plough bodies are level. No amount of adjustment will make up for worn points. Make a note of the original settings so you can return to them if it only gets worse.

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Jon

10-05-2001 04:02:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the right way to plow a new field? in reply to Ron, 10-05-2001 03:23:10  
If the unploughed strip has been physically moved, could it be that the plough just isnt burying the trash properly. if so then the skimmers may need setting better also check that the plough legs are vertical to the soil when the tractor is in the furrow otherwise the soil won`t turn over properly. This can be altered by adjusting the height of one of the link arms (if its a turnover plough there are adjustable stops on the plough). If the plough won`t pull straight then adjust the cross shaft (between tractor linkage arms) usually by a screw and handle mechanism until it does (its cranked and this movement alters the ploughs angle of attack. Check the top link length to make sure all the plough bodies are level. No amount of adjustment will make up for worn points.

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