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Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good?

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John in Marylan

02-04-2002 07:55:19




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I'm talking about a dump setup on a running gear(4-wheel wagon frame). I know they used these one some silage wagons, but I have never seen one operate. If I were to buy one of these silage wagons and rebuild the body to make it a small dump trailer, how much material would it lift/dump? Does it dump at the same degree as a dump truck (45?)? I know it depends on the cylinder(s), but what generally comes on these? Is the power of the tractor a limiting factor, or the cylinder? Just thought it would be a nice thing to have around the farm, to move a couple of scoops of gravel or whatever at a time, but be cheaper and easier to maintain than an old small dump truck. Thanks for any ideas/inputs. Also, what would be a fair price for just a running gear w/the hydraulic dump setup, including cylinder, without a body?

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old bones

02-09-2002 19:29:59




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
don't know for sure what you are looking at out there in md, but here in iowa a silage wagon doesn't have a hoist under it. it has a fixed box on a running gear. the silage is unloaded out the front corner by an apron chain and "beaters", all ran by the pto. i would think that a person would have a lot more in a silage wagon converted to a barge than you could pick up a good working barge for in the first place, but that's up to you.

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John in Maryland

02-05-2002 10:15:02




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
I would be using a Case IH 385 (about 38 h.p.) or a Case IH 885 (65-70hp, somewhere in there). Thanks for all the replies, I am gonna keep my eyes open and keep a lookout for some for sale.



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DP

02-05-2002 04:43:08




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
Hi John, I just recently purchased a nice wagon for that purpose. Its a John Deere 953 gear with the 12' John Deere barge box and a hoist under it. All the tires were new. I gave $325.00 for it. I could maybe have found something cheaper, but this one will tow behind the pickup straight as a string faster that it should be pulled if desired. You don't say what tractor you will use with it. As stated below, most of these wagons have low pressure hoists under them.

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john d

02-04-2002 15:23:54




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
Years ago when we were handling ear-corn, we took an IH wagon gear that had a heavy-duty bed with a steel floor and mounted the cylinders off our farm loader under it. We fixed a heavy angle iron across the beams at the front of the rear bolster to keep the bed from shifting to the rear, and mounted the cylinders between the back side of the front bolster and the beams under the wagon floor. With 4' sides on it, and a high-speed sprocket on the cornpicker, we could load the wagon full, and still dump it with the hydraulic pressure of a Farmall M. Switching the cylinders back to the loader only took about 15 minutes.

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Robert in W. Mi.

02-04-2002 13:28:45




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
I have an old IH running gear, that has a metal floor, and sides on it. It all so has a grain door in the tail gate, and a hoist under the bed. I use it for many things, and hauling sand is one of them. The size of the cyclinder, and the amount of PSI your tractor hydraulics puts out will determine how much it will lift. Where the hoist is placed under the bed will determie the dump angle it will dump at. The higher the dump angle, the bigger the cyclinder will have to be! Most of the old wagon hoist weren't made to take the near 3000 PSI of todays modern hydraulics, so a bigger hoist is the answer. A good running gear with a hoist, will sell for more than $400.00 here, and a good hoist alone will cost you $75.00 "if" you can find one. Robert

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Dan S.

02-04-2002 11:10:22




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
Recently bought a dump trailer built by Bri mar. It has its own battery opperated pump, but could easily be converted to use with a tractor. Very strong, and comes in many sizes. One plus is they are set up for road travel, and seem to be reasonably priced. Check out the link,, if it works properly.



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JWC

02-04-2002 10:12:41




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 Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 07:55:19  
John,
What you are referring to is a 'Bolster Hoist or Lift". There are a couple of firms still making them. Rebuilding a trashed silage wagon might be the long way of doing this. Many farmers used these with flat bed wagons with sideboards when picking ear corn. Northern Hydraulics sells a similar hoist that could be used on a 1 ton truck or wagon. You can power the hoist with your tractor hydraulics or with an electric unit. Lift capacity will be determined by the pressure limit of the pump not the size of the tractor. The dump angle will be determined by the veritical range of the hoist and it's distance from the pivot. Time is short so e-mail if you have more questions, there are some more sources for components that I don't have time to list.

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paul

02-04-2002 10:24:53




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to JWC, 02-04-2002 10:12:41  
What he said. :) Around 'here' most farmers went to gravity wagons, and the barge boxes are there for the taking. $100-200 should get the whole box, running gear, & hoist. (Depends on how good the running gear is, a good JD will bring more to put a hayrack on...)

I've never seen a hoist alone go over $25 in the past 20 years...

Things might be different where _you_ are.

--->Paul



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John in Maryland

02-04-2002 13:01:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to paul, 02-04-2002 10:24:53  
That cheap huh? I might have to keep looking, cause I found one that is just the running gear and hoist, no body, asking $400, needs 4 tires. I know where a good looking JD silage wagon is for sale, at a used truck parts place, sitting out there w/a for sale sign on it. I might have to check it out. Thanks for the info.



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Tim(nj)

02-04-2002 13:10:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 13:01:29  
I have an Allis-Chalmers 8-ton wagon with a dump box on it. The hoist can handle up to 200 bu. of soybeans, no more. (12,000 lbs.) It gets up to around 60 degrees. However, being a 4-wheel wagon with steering in the front, it can be a pain to back it up into a confined space to dump. If you're planning on going any distance with it, you might want to go with a road-legal trailer. It used to be I could tow wagons 10-15 miles away to deliver something, as long as they trailed good. Roscoe and Enos wouldn't bother me, knew I was a local. However, the State Police now handle the patrols in our area, and they frown on towing wagons behind trucks long distances.

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Tim(nj)

02-05-2002 07:35:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to Tim(nj), 02-04-2002 13:10:18  
I forgot to mention that it's a Midwest hoist for 3000 psi operation. Need to use it with the 4020 to lift that much. The MF 65 hydraulics can only dump a couple of tons of ear corn with it.



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John in Maryland

02-04-2002 13:44:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to Tim(nj), 02-04-2002 13:10:18  
Yeah, I know all about backing 4-wheel wagons, we got 4 haywagons and bale about 9,000 bales of hay a year, and I help my neighbor out who bales about 15,000 bales of straw. Anyhow, that is more weight than I thought it would lift, so that is good. I am not too concerned w/going down the road. I can always borrow my neighbor's flat bed dump, but I would like to have something to use whenever on the farm. Thanks for your reply.

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bob

02-04-2002 17:50:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic dump wagons.....any good? in reply to John in Maryland, 02-04-2002 13:44:18  
paul is right about going cheap 25 will catch most hoists on farm sales a friend has been buying up all he can find and mounting on pickups I sold him one of my old pickup and ythat is his heavy duty hauler another thing is old army surplus



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