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Jay

03-08-2002 09:18:14

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I bought a MF # 39 two row corn planter a while back. The fertilizer box and auger are rusted pretty bad, but the planter works great. My question is, before I waist a lot of money on seed, should I spend the money to replace the fertilizer set-up on my planter, or can I get away with broadcast spreading. When I bought the planter, it was full of field corn. The field I'm planting (4 acres) wasn't used for some time, so I used the seed up over the past two years just getting the field turned over and ready for use. Last year I put some fertilizer down, but still got a poor crop. This year I intend on switching over to sweet corn and don't want to take a chance and waist time and money. Would also welcome recommendations on seed variety to use. Located in CT with sandy loam soil.

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ron

07-17-2002 17:08:47

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

i live in east Texas,i thought about planting a fall crop this year, any suggestions? or comments?

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mike sponenberg

06-12-2002 14:32:02

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

i would like to know if it is to late to plant late sweet corn bad wether got me so i dont want to not have any corn so should i just plant early sweet corn i am new at garding if u can help thank u veary much ps looking to be a green thumb

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thurlow

03-08-2002 14:59:12

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

Well, I guess everyone has a different opionion; and putting the fertlizer alongside the planter furrow will give the corn a little jump-start. However, lots of people who grow corn for a living either braodcast the fertlizer or maybe in the case of anhydrous, put it in the center of the middle.

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Jay

03-08-2002 14:44:12

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

Thanks for all your help. I own a Machine Shop. I better get started trying to make something up. I just didn't know if it was worth the time it would take. I have already sent out a soil sample again this year. I also did one last year, spread the lime called for, 3 tons/ acre and the fertilizer called for, but still got very short plants with scrawny stalks. I will put the address of a picture I have on my website. I don't have any luck with links, so you'll have to cut and paste the address. Sorry it's so long, but the picture address is: Link

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chuck

03-10-2002 08:21:54

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Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 14:44:12

becareful of your herbicide, corn is a grass also. you may be well advised to find a biological farming consultant. It will cost you some but will prbably avoid a wreck. Ideas over the internet are fine in general but not for specific situations. Good luck

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Halbert

03-08-2002 18:28:09

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Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 14:44:12

Jay- I've tried the fertilizer both ways, broadcast or in the planter and you should be able to get a good crop either way. Sometimes I just don't feel like putting the fertilizer in the planter and then have to clean it out later, especially if I'm already using the broadcast machine for some other crop at that time anyway. I'm also on sandy loam soil in NY. Why don't you put down half the Nitrogen at planting, and then sidedress the corn with rhe other half when it is just getting too tall to drive thru with the tractor. This should work better on lighter soils. Did you have a lot of weeds or grass in that field, that certainly won't help. What was the pH in the field before the 3 tons of lime, has it started to rise? You don't want the pH to be too high for corn, I believe if it starts to approach 7 you can have problems. Varieties:Delectable, Seneca Wardance, Temptation, Lancelot, these are all bicolor SE.

I have a question for you. What kind of lime did you use, did you apply it yourself, and how much are you paying for lime in CT? Thanks and good luck.

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Jay

03-08-2002 22:39:33

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Re: Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Halbert, 03-08-2002 18:28:09

Thanks for your help and questions. Last year I spent $28.00 / ton and had to haul it. I have been using pulverized lime and spread it last year with my sand/ salt spreader. This year I have been quoted $38.00 per ton spread on my fields with their truck. And yes, I am constantly fighting weeds and grass. Farms have become a thing of the past in my area and my local feed and grain store won't sell me weed killers without a license. I would welcome any help that anyone in my area was willing to give. My Dad and Grandfather have both passed away before I have gotten the chance to ask them how to do it.

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paul

03-09-2002 00:04:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 22:39:33

If you are growing corn without herbicides, what is your weed control methods? Are you harrowing (dragging) just as the corn breaks through the ground, and rotory hoing a time or 2 after that? Then cultivate 3 times or so?

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Jay

03-09-2002 07:33:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to paul, 03-09-2002 00:04:19

Yes. I usually get away with waiting until the corn gets about 10 inches high or so before the weeds really start coming in. Then I just cultivate as long as I can without damaging the plants. This year I have gotten to know a landscaper in my area with a license. I may just try the herbicide. He has offered to get what ever I need for me. I just need to figure out how to use it properly before getting in over my head.

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paul

03-09-2002 11:43:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-09-2002 07:33:10

I forgot to mention, broadcasting the fertilizer works fine. You probably use 1/3 more that way, but it helps build up your P & K so that's not all bad. If you have an ag coop or some such around, they can spread it for you, they can add some herbicide into the fertilizer, especially for grasses, that works really well.

For applying your own, read the label & follow it! Lots of pages, but tells you what to do. Avoid getting a Restricted Use Pesticide (RUP) as these have some more serious dangers & liabilites. Stuff like Dual or 2,4,D or Banvel are about as hazzerdous as gasoline which you handle most every day. Altho Banvel likes to drift a lot, you can damage the neighbor's crops or garden & get into trouble with that...

To look up the labels on different pesticides, go to www.greenbook.net - all are there, you can see what they treat, rates, etc.

--->Paul

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Tim(nj)

03-09-2002 15:24:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to paul, 03-09-2002 11:43:54

Non-restricted on the EPA list doesn't necessarily mean you can use it. I don't know how CT is, but here in NJ, as a farmer, I have to have a license to spray Roundup!! Anyone can go to Home Depot and buy it, and spray as much as they want around their house, but because I'm using it in a crop, I have to be certified, for the "safety of the population". Certainly makes sense to me . . . .

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Jay

03-08-2002 22:38:55

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Jay

03-08-2002 22:38:11

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Jay

03-08-2002 14:42:29

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

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Robert in W. Mi.

03-08-2002 14:10:08

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

I'd try to get the planter working useing plastic pails or ??? I don't like bradcasting fertilizer because 3/4th of it is just feeding the weeds inbetween the rows!! Then you have to deal with all those well fed weeds!! Hope this helps, Robert

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kraig WY

03-08-2002 14:03:03

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

Best thing is to take a soil sample to your county extension agent. There is a lot more to soil the fertalizer. That's the cheepest route. Get a hold of a good seed supplier and get his opionion on what seed. Your crop is going to be avertising to him good or bad. The imformation get from these guys are going to tell you a lot on what you need to do before you spend the money.

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Ford Man

03-08-2002 13:52:39

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

Jay,
You might ought to check with your local MF dealer for parts . At least find out price and availability . Unless you can find a small machine shop , it will likely cost more to have parts made than to buy new .

You may want to look at the ads here and try e-bay too .

As far as the seed , I don't use old seed . It does not cost very much so it is not worth taking a chance . I spend more on fertilizer than seed . Go to your local feed and seed store and they will probably have some suggestions of what variety to plant .

Good Luck !
Ford Man

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JMS/MN

03-08-2002 10:18:56

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Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to Jay, 03-08-2002 09:18:14

If you want to rebuild the fertilizer boxes on your pLANTER, go to a local machine shop/blacksmith for that work. Fertilizer applied by the planter gets you more bang for the buck. Broadcast rates need to be double or so because you are spreading it over more area. In-row application works with lower rates, should be applied ahead of the planter shoe, 2" to the side, and 2" lower. Old seed loses some germination over time- year old is not too bad, but beyond that, you may have to increase planting rate substantially to maintain proper stand to get a decent yield. Take soil samples and test them to determine existing fertility level and determine how much fertilizer has to be added to obtain the desired yield, within constraints of your soil's capability, growing degree days, moisture available, etc. Every bushel of crop you take off is removing nutrients from the soil, so if fertility is going to be maintained, it has to be returned via commercial fertilizer or manure, residue, etc. Not all returned is available the next year. Get some advice from a fertilizer plant manager or state university. To check germination of old, or any seed- put 100 seeds in a wet cloth, fold it over, keep it warm with heat lamp, or other source- after 7-10 days, see how many are sprouting. That is your germination %. Check vs germ stated on the bag to see what you lost over time.

check with local dealers for recommended seed varieties. People a hundred miles away(north to south) can't recommend what to plant- they are in a different zone.

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JMS/MN

03-08-2002 11:02:25

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Re: Re: Corn Planting Question in reply to JMS/MN, 03-08-2002 10:18:56

Re: germination test- keep it moist, as well as warm, for the entire test.

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