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I love Mesquite trees

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Keith

04-28-2002 20:08:23




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I just love mesquite trees, but only one kind, the ones that have a bright glow on the trunk that is caused by the diesel and Remedy mix that I just sprayed on them. That way, I know that the leaves will be turning bright yellow within days....just like autumn....the autmn before their ETERNAL winter. Then when they are dead and brittle, I will cut them and cleanse them in fire. Their nasty thorns will not be in my tractor tire. MESQUITES ARE A NUISANCE AND I LOVE TO KILL THEM.

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Hal/WA

04-29-2002 11:25:16




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 Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-28-2002 20:08:23  
I have never been around mesquite, except for barbecue charcoal, but around here we have a problem with Hawthorn bushes that have thorns that will puncture tires.

I have a Ford 641D that had relatively new tires when I got it. After a few years on my property and working in the brush, the front tires started getting flats. I would get them fixed, but this involved taking the tire and wheel off and taking them to town, leaving the tractor out of service for a day or 2. Unfortunately it was always a temporary fix, because thorns already in the tires would continue to work their way through and puncture the tube. The tire shops could never find all the thorns. It got real unhandy and expensive. I was about ready to buy new tires.

The boss at the tire shop I deal with suggested that rather than buying new tires, that I have the tires I have filled with plastic foam. This is done at an industrial tire center and is usually done on equipment that is exposed to nails or other sharp objects. The tire man made this reccommendation against the best interests of his shop--he could have just sold me 2 new tires and tubes.

Filling the tires with foam is not cheap. I paid a little over $100 to have the 2 front tires filled. But since that time 4 or 5 years ago, I have had no more trouble with flats (and it had gotten to the point where I had to fix a tire every time I used the tractor.) The reliability factor makes it worth it. I was told by the industrial tire place that when I had worn out the tires that they would have to be sawed or burned off the rims, but they will probably now last longer than I will.

The hawthorn thorns do not seem to bother the back tires, but I suppose they could be foam filled as well. This would make them very heavy, probably more than with liquid. They also would not "give" much and would ride very rough. I did not price filling the rear tires, but I suspect it would be several hundred dollars.

But it might be worth thinking about, if you are having enough problems with flats on a tractor you use. Good luck, I hate flat tires. By the way, I bought the tire man a case of real good beer!

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JamesJ-TX

04-29-2002 09:25:17




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 Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-28-2002 20:08:23  
Hey Keith, where in Texas do you live.



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Keith

04-29-2002 13:41:48




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 Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to JamesJ-TX, 04-29-2002 09:25:17  
East Texas.



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mwkellner

04-29-2002 07:38:06




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 Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-28-2002 20:08:23  
I feel the same way about Chinese Tallow trees, although they will not puncture a tire. I think they are the ugliest tree around, and they will choke out much of the beautiful native vegitation. Will this Remedy work on them as well? Do I need a permit to buy it? Where?

What would y'all recomend for general brush and vines in areas that I can't mow? Thanks alot -- Martin



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Keith

04-29-2002 08:12:58




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 Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to mwkellner, 04-29-2002 07:38:06  
Yes Remedy will kill most any tree. You do need a private applicator liscense for pesticides in TX to buy it but I don't know about any other states.



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Trailerman

04-29-2002 06:00:22




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 Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-28-2002 20:08:23  
What % of mixture do you use with each? How much do you spray on each tree? I have several at my place that I am trying to get rid of. Thanks!



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Keith

04-29-2002 07:19:41




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 Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Trailerman, 04-29-2002 06:00:22  
Trailerman, When I bought my 40 acres a few years ago, it had been taken over by these nasty things. I got nearly 100% kill on them the first time I sprayed and I assume that the ones that lived I didn't spray. They were so close you couldn't tell where you had sprayed or not except by seeing the diesel on the trunk. As if that wasn't hard enough, I had to wait a year till they were dead then begin the task of cutting these and dragging them, mostly by hand, to a location to burn them. I tried dragging them with a tractor but as you would guess, many many flats later I stopped. There is a fine science to killing these things effectively and I consider myself a pro at it now. I still have the yearly job of taking care of new trees because they come up every year and always will. Some people mow them but that does not do any good, it only creates more shoots next year. You HAVE to kill the root. And even then, coyotes or birds will eat the beans(mesquite seed) somewhere else, come crap on your pasture and there is a shoot next spring. A bean can lay on the ground for forty years dormant, then get scratched by an cow or tractor tire and produce a new tree. My mixture and application for effective control is 4 ounces of Remedy per one gallon of diesel and that is it. Put this in a sprayer and spray only the base of the tree, regardless of size of the tree. Ensure that the spray is all the way around the trunk approximately 4-6 inch band. If the tree is smaller (like ankle to knee high), adjust the band size. Spraying the leaves is OK, you will kill the tree but that isn't the goal. The goal is to kill the root. Some think if they put more herbicide than I recommend, they will do a better job. Some think if they spray more than the recommended mixture on the tree they will get better result. I have found this to NOT be the case. A gallon of this mixture should do 50-100 trees. My theory on this is, if you kill the tree quickly, the root stops taking nourishment from it and the root lives. Kill the tree slowly and the root continues to take in the poison over a longer period of time, there fore the root will die. Soon after spraying you will see the leaves turning yellow but you shouldn't see them drop off right away. Let them die slowly. Also, even if the tree looks dead, do not cut it off, mow it down etc. Let it stay there at least a year to take all the poison it can into the root. Remedy is not cheap and this is a lot of work, you want all to get to the root possible. Experimenting is the best way to be proficient on this. Good luck on controlling these pests.

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JohnnyB

04-29-2002 18:30:17




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 Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-29-2002 07:19:41  
I ain't never seen a mesquite tree in East Texas, where are you calling East Texas? You aught to be sawing them up for lumber, its going for around $8 a board foot.



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Keith

04-30-2002 07:25:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to JohnnyB, 04-29-2002 18:30:17  
OK Johnny, North East Texas, not in the piney woods East Texas. Sorry if I don't use the bounds you have set. If you want 8 dollars a foot, I have a neighbor that has many trees (60 acres full)I am sure you could have for free if you cut them. Just be sure to get your tetnus shots updated and bring a first aid kit or two because you are gonna have more cuts on your arms and face and head than OJ's next wife. If you are in a part of east Texas that has no mesquites, you are lucky. We have no shortage here.

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Keith

04-30-2002 07:20:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to JohnnyB, 04-29-2002 18:30:17  
OK Johnny, North East Texas, not in the piney woods East Texas. Sorry if I don't use the bounds you have set. If you want 8 dollars a foot, I have a neighbor that has many trees (60 acres full)I am sure you could have for free if you cut them. Just be sure to get your tetnus shots updated and bring a first aid kit or two because you are gonna have more cuts on your arms and face and head than OJ's next wife. If you are in a part of east Texas that has no mesquites, you are lucky. We have no shortage here.

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Bob

09-13-2002 13:23:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-30-2002 07:20:27  
Mesquite trees in Northeast Texas? Where? I've been trying to grow one for years. You must mean Morth Cenral Texas!
Bob



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JohnnyB

04-29-2002 18:28:48




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 Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-29-2002 07:19:41  
I ain't never seen a mesquite tree in East Texas, where are you calling East Texas? You aught to be sawing them up for lumber, its going for around $8 a board foot.



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Keith

04-30-2002 11:41:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to JohnnyB, 04-29-2002 18:28:48  
BTW, I have always heard that everything East of Dallas is East Texas and everything West of FT Worth is West Texas. I dont know what you call in between these two cities. Why that put a burr under your saddle is beyond me.



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Keith

04-30-2002 19:43:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-30-2002 11:41:13  
Oh yeah I thought of it, the area between Dallas and Ft Worth is called the "taint". Taint east and taint west. It all blows there to me. I will take the country any day.



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Trailerman

04-29-2002 07:39:00




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 Re: Re: Re: I love Mesquite trees in reply to Keith, 04-29-2002 07:19:41  
Thanks Keith! I will have to get some supplies this week and get busy. I appreciate the info.



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