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20' hay rack

wood or steel sills?

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Jimbo Iowa

05-11-2002 09:15:49




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I want to build a 20' hay rack on 10 ton gears, but I don't know what to use as sills. I can get 6" x6" timbers at the lumber yard and I can get channel beams from the machine shop. Which one would be the best to use? The wood is a little cheaper, but strength is more important.




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rednekelmo

05-11-2002 23:06:44




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 Re: 20' hay rack - wood or steel sills? in reply to Jimbo Iowa, 05-11-2002 09:15:49  
the channel gets my vote also.my grandfather has an old wagon(late 50's i think) with the channel .it's tough it's been abused overloaded neglected and no problem from it yet.



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Harold Hubbard

05-11-2002 19:29:07




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 Re: 20' hay rack - wood or steel sills? in reply to Jimbo Iowa, 05-11-2002 09:15:49  
I have a wagon that my dad built in 1951 using a truck frame. The wooden parts have been replaced at least three times, but the steel is still going strong. I built another in '88 the same way, and it will need new wood pretty soon. If I build another I will cut the truck frame and widen it, as the crosspieces hang out a long way on the sides. Try to find a 1-1/2 or two ton frame that's old enough not to have many curves in it, or splice the straight parts of a couple of crooked ones. Be a little picky about rusted or wrecked stuff, especially no fertilizer or spray trucks.

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DP

05-11-2002 13:46:09




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 Re: 20' hay rack - wood or steel sills? in reply to Jimbo Iowa, 05-11-2002 09:15:49  
I built a 20' rack back in 1980, and it still going strong. Don't know what you have available where you are, but I had a friend with a saw mill. He had cut out a couple of oak stringers 20' long a few years earlier and laid them to dry so they would be straight. They are 6"X8". I had him fresh cut the flooring which are laid crossways with metal flashing laid down the top of the stringers. The flooring boards are 8 1/2 foot long, 12" wide and 1 3/4 thick. I bolted windmill angle iron down both sides to keep the floor straight as it dried. After several years, the trailer has about 1 inch gaps between the floor boards. (Lets loose hay fall and bed is clean). I sold it to my brother a few years ago, and theres no sign of any problems yet. Good luck with whatever you decide!

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John in Maryland

05-11-2002 11:05:22




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 Re: 20' hay rack - wood or steel sills? in reply to Jimbo Iowa, 05-11-2002 09:15:49  
We just built one out of that channel stuff last summer, and we have 3 more regular haywagons we're thinking of building them for. A friend of mine just down the road has 4 of them. One of the main reasons was we thought the wood would warp over time and/or possibly split. I really don't know if one is neccessarily better than the other, but it seems the metal one might actually be a little bit lighter, which may be important if you plan on taking it off in the winter to use your wagon as just a flat bed wagon or whatever. We have "doors" on the sides or ours, about halfway down, which are simply 3 chains running across we can take down and be able to set the elevator right there unload and only have to walk half the distance. Are you gonna be using a thrower or just pulling the wagon behind the baler with a man stacking? We have a man on the cart stacking, it's nice and quick and mostly idiot proof, as we stack them all on the side, the same way the whole cart. Oh, ours are 24', but I don't guess it makes a difference, and ours holds about 200 bales or so, 6 bales across, and 5 high, for each row on the trailer.

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Dick Davis

05-13-2002 05:45:23




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 Re: Re: 20' hay rack - wood or steel sills? in reply to John in Maryland, 05-11-2002 11:05:22  
Jimbo, if you go with wood vice steel:
(1) use CCA or other treated wood (2) wood allows more options of fasting cross members to sills
(3) consider using 3 2x6's instead of a 6x6. less warpage, can nail up a 20 footer using shorter sections, could even use 4 2x8 for more strength.
My 18' all CCA hay rack uses 3 2x6 per sill, 2x8x8'cross boards nailed directly and a 2x6 bolted length wise across the outside end of the 2x8's for stability, footing and load holding. Good luck/send pictures!

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