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Tredd in SW PA

05-30-2002 10:11:14




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I'm looking to replace my aging IH 46 baler with another square baler. I have it down to either a NH 311 with a kicker or two NH 336 (one without a kicker and one with). I'm running a 55 HP tractor and don't plan on using a kicker. So the questions are: how much does a kicker add to the price of a baler? Is the 311 better then 336? and last, do you have to remove the kicker if you are not pulling a wagon and if so, how hard is it to remove? The best condition baler is the 311 but it has a kicker which I don't need.

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bill b

06-01-2002 18:17:45




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 Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Tredd in SW PA, 05-30-2002 10:11:14  
The JD 336 has a thower which pitches the bale into the wagon. You can control direction and how far it thows at anytime when you are bailing. I have a 337 ( a newer version of the 336) and I pull a 16 ft wagon with a MF 135 (38 HP) and with a MF 165 (52 HP). The 165 is nicer becuase its heavier and doesn't rock as much. Bill



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JMS/MN

05-31-2002 23:29:22




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 Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Tredd in SW PA, 05-30-2002 10:11:14  
336 was the number of a JD baler- the kicker could be locked out and bales left on the ground. Most NH balers with kickers are the belt type- cannot be locked out for dropping on the ground. They just blow them out the back, whether or not a wagon is being towed.



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Loren

05-31-2002 09:44:38




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 Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Tredd in SW PA, 05-30-2002 10:11:14  
Would you explain to me the use and build of the kicker you're talking about. I'm assuming from your post that maybe it'll deposit the bales directly into a trailer? How is it built and what powers it?



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Dane Wence

06-01-2002 11:03:34




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 Re: Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Loren, 05-31-2002 09:44:38  
The kicker on most JD balers use a hydraulic pump that runs off the PTO to run a bunch of fast turning belts at the back of the baler. when a bale comes out of the baler it will hit these belts and the belts will actually "shoot" the bale, this is so you can pull a wagon behind the baler and not have someone throwing the bales to the stacker. you only have to have someone stacking on the wagon. If you get the baler with the kicker, you can run it without a wagon, but you run the risk of breaking bales when they hit. I would go with the sugestion of just taking off the belt that runs the hydraulic pump. This would allow the bales to just drop out the back. Hope this helps, Dane Wence

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Tim(nj)

06-01-2002 19:31:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Dane Wence, 06-01-2002 11:03:34  
JD makes and has only made the pan kicker (ejector). New Holland uses the belt-type. New Holland did offer (maybe they still do) a pan kicker as well.



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JMS/MN

06-01-2002 15:55:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Dane Wence, 06-01-2002 11:03:34  
Furthermore, no one stands in the wagon, stacking bales behind the baler- unless they want to get hit by a flying bale. The whole reason behind throwers and kickers was so that one person could go out with a baler and wagon and bale and load by himself. Bales get tossed into the wagon in a haphazard fashion, and are then unloaded from the front(easiest) or mid-side of the wagon.



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Tim(nj)

06-01-2002 19:26:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to JMS/MN, 06-01-2002 15:55:35  
Or from the back if you can afford one of those fancy Dutch Brothers wagons with the tailgate that half folds down to stand on and the other half folds up. Made in Ephrata, PA.



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JMS/MN

06-01-2002 15:51:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Dane Wence, 06-01-2002 11:03:34  
John Deere does not and never has used belts to kick the bales into the wagon. NH, Massey, and others used belts. JD used an aluminum pan to throw the bales into the wagon. Broken pans were common, welding shops had to reweld and reinforce those pans, expecially on the earlier models. They could also trip while stopped, causing severe injury. Still- they had the advantage of being locked out and depositing bales on the ground, while belt throwers could not be locked out- only removed.

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Loren

05-31-2002 09:44:03




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 Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Tredd in SW PA, 05-30-2002 10:11:14  
Would you explain to me the use and build of the kicker you're talking about. I'm assuming from your post that maybe it'll deposit the bales directly into a trailer? How is it built and what powers it?



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Tim(nj)

05-30-2002 19:55:18




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 Re: Baler questions and opinions wanted... in reply to Tredd in SW PA, 05-30-2002 10:11:14  
The JD bale ejector can be locked out and the bales dropped off the back of the pan onto the ground, so it doesn't have to be removed. If you are planning to not ever use the ejector, take the belts off of the hydraulic pump. Saves wear on pump and saves some HP. BTW, 55 HP is plenty for a 336 and ejector, plus a wagon that holds 100 or so bales. Used to bale hay with the MF65 and a 336 with ejector.

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