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Kenneth S.

06-06-2002 16:53:06




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I have a question for the knowledgable haymakers. The manual says not to make "tight" turns with my NH 273 Baler. How tight is too tight to turn? When I followed some gently curved windrows (or I thought they were), the universals began to chatter. Will they do this, or how do I rake not-so-tight windrows in a small, 2 acre field(a fenced portion of a larger parcel)?

I mowed with my JD 5 sickle on Saturday afternoon (I'm in Oregon), and have turned it three or four times since then with a ground drive rake, and I still feel like I'm almost baling silage hay. Am I wrong to think that our climate necessitates at least a tedder, if not also a mower conditioner to dry the hay properly?

Thanks so much, Kenneth in Western Oregon

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Rick

06-17-2002 08:53:37




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
I have a NH 273 hay baler and I finnaly figured out why the u-joints clatter on turns. I just spent a day replacing all the u-joints and the center support bearing on the pto shaft. It has the long tongue shaft with the center support bearing on the pto. I tried the baler out after that and it still clattered just as bad. Finnaly I tried fliping my hitch over (so it lowered the hitch and increased the height between the pto shaft and the hitch). This allowed the pto drive line to be just about level. The problem went away. No more clatter around any turns!!!

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Jim in Michigan

06-10-2002 19:46:35




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
I use the predessor of the 273 I have a 68 Hayliner, what I do is take a turn normally and then if I have to I come back when I am all down and pickup the corners,, it leaves a huge X in the field so all you so is drive up one leg of the X and down the other,, works for me,,



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Jim in Michigan

06-10-2002 19:45:04




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
I use the predessor of the 273 I have a 68 Hayliner, what I do is take a turn normally and then if I have to I come back when I am all down and pickup the corners,, it leaves a huge X in the field so all you so is drive up one leg of the X and down the other,, works for me,,



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Rick

06-07-2002 09:09:58




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
I have a 273 Hayliner with the long tounge with the jointed shaft and the universals chatter on tight turns. I have only owned this baler for 2 years and I haven't figured it all out yet. I probably never will! I just shut off the PTO when I make a tight turn and that works fine. I only go around the field about 4 times then the rest of the baling is done in straight rows. It's a great baler. Never misses a knot. Banana bales are a problem, but all I bale is grass and clover.

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Jerry Dishman

06-07-2002 07:46:52




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
A couple of tips I have learned the hard way. Raking too soon may cause the hay to be too concentrated to dry well. Depending on the type of rake you have (mine is NH 55, so that is my point of reference) you can set the rake up to scatter the windrow back out to expose more of it to the sun and air. Assuming a left side discharge rake, set the right side down where you would normally use it and lift the left side up until it is about 6 inches off the ground. Roll the windrow again and hopefully the windrow will be spread back out. Experiment with the left hand distance from the ground as it will vary with hay type and crop density.

Also, again using the NH Rolabar as the reference, make sure that you have the basket angle adjustment raised as much as possible. That makes a more fluffy windrow that lets air penetrate and dry better. The lower the front is let down the tighter the hay is wrapped and that keeps the moisture locked in.

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mike

06-06-2002 23:36:32




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
Hi kenneth im in the rogue valley personally i use a conditioner but have cut with sickle bar also in most conditions with a sickle bar cut it let it lay 3-4 days rake it and let lay another 2-4 days should be ready to bale time depends on temp humidity and wind to check it grab a handful in both hands and twist if it breaks up fairly easy it is dry good luck mike



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mike

06-06-2002 23:34:14




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
Hi kenneth im in the rogue valley personally i use a conditioner but have cut with sickle bar also in most conditions with a sickle bar cut it let it lay 3-4 days rake it and let lay another 2-4 days should be ready to bale time depends on temp humidity and wind to check it grab a handful in both hands and twist if it breaks up fairly easy it is dry good luck mike



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pappy

06-06-2002 21:22:31




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
I had a nh 66 25yrs.ago.you should be able to turn the baler to the right as tight as you need to with out u-joint chatter.first, you did swing the tounge of the baler in a straight line, and next if your baler pto saft is square, slide the end out and turn 90 degrees and slide back in so your first and second u-joints are the same. the other thing is the drawbar length on your tractor.the drawbar should be adjusted so the hitch pin is in the center of the first and second u-joint happy baling----pappy

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howard

06-06-2002 19:07:08




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
is your baler the long tounge with jointed shaft? if it is you should be able to turn quite short without chatter. make sure your hitch is properly adjusted; the shaft should run in a straight line. if you have the short tounge baler I guess you know how short you can turn. don't let the u joints chatter! as for hay curing time watch your neighbors and do as they do.



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Loren

06-06-2002 18:39:44




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
Curious where in W Or. you are that it's not drying better than that. I'm in Eugene and it's getting too dry for the limited time I have available to work it. Course yours may be way thicker than mine.



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Loren, oops.

06-06-2002 18:41:39




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 Re: Re: Haying Woes in reply to Loren, 06-06-2002 18:39:44  
I meant my hay is getting too dry too quick.
Also, I'd rake it into straight windrows and eliminate the corners.



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latta

06-06-2002 17:18:07




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 Re: Haying Woes in reply to Kenneth S., 06-06-2002 16:53:06  
I found this interesting article on haymaking as part of farming west of the cascades. Maybe it has some pointers



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