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Steve

06-18-2002 11:55:46




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I have a dirt floor in my barn and each year I loose the bottom layer of hay to mold. My question is, can I put heave black plastic down on the ground and stack my hay on it instead of on the bare ground? My hay is alwayse properly cured and I don't live in a real humid climit "northern Idaho". Would there be any danger of causing a fire by using the plastic? Thank you Steve




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dave(ne)

06-20-2002 14:56:59




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 Re: Hay storage question in reply to Steve, 06-18-2002 11:55:46  
I used a single layer of pallets my first year and got some mold but not very bad. The next year I used a double layer of pallets and got zero mold. It takes twice the pallets but I can get them for free from work.



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Warren

06-19-2002 11:32:36




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 Re: Hay storage question in reply to Steve, 06-18-2002 11:55:46  
Steve,

Sorry, but I got to disagree with some of the previous posts - been there, done that. I have 10 years of fighting the same problem with the moisture wicking up from the crushed gravel base of a pole barn. When the hay is put up dry, it will absorb moisture - especially from the floor.

I have tried pallets and don't like em cuz they attract way too many varmints like rats, possums, coon, etc. The pallets are also a pain to work with and to walk on. Now that I have an automatic bale wagon, they are not even an option.

I have tried the old hay trick which increases the moisture, probably because it acts as a wick. I had also tried placing plastic under about 2 inches of crushed limestone to act as a barrier and although it was better, it was not good.

For the last 3 years, I have been using clear plastic laid down over the crushed limestone. It works much better with a double layer since walkin on it will cause some small holes from the stones. I have found this to work very well. I have no spoilage/mold in the areas where the plastic is intact. I will notice a small amount of spoilage wherever a hole is in the plastic. It is really helpful to put the first layer down on its side so the strings are not on the ground.

The real challenge I have is how to get the plastic under the stacks when I use the automatic balewagon.

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Bill B

06-18-2002 21:30:20




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 Re: Hay storage question in reply to Steve, 06-18-2002 11:55:46  
Hi, A layer of plastic on the ground with pallets on top works pretty good, may have a little stail smell. Use any junk hay, (rained on hay, old dryed out bails) as the 1st level and you will never have a problem. Bill



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Hal/WA

06-18-2002 13:56:54




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 Re: Hay storage question in reply to Steve, 06-18-2002 11:55:46  
Howdy neighbor! I have never tried using plastic under hay, but I would think it would be pretty hard to get the hay in place without puncturing the plastic. Using pallets seems like a good idea. A concrete floor over a good gravel base or a wood floor would also be great, but costly. Have you got good drainage away from your barn? Maybe you could get the moisture to flow away better.

Something else to maybe try would be salting the lowest layer. If you use enough salt, it should keep mold under control.

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Joe in MO

06-18-2002 13:52:15




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 Re: Hay storage question in reply to Steve, 06-18-2002 11:55:46  
I agree, Mold will be far worse with plastic or old tin,, I found a bunch of old pallets and placed them down, I also place the first bale sideways and then start stacking them across and crossing each layer. I learned that pallets are the best as they will give a layer of air for circulation, I still had a few bales get mold on them when I used old doors and pieces of wood the previous year, (didn't have enough pallets), for the floor..

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Jerry D in NC

06-18-2002 12:36:56




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 Re: Hay storage question in reply to Steve, 06-18-2002 11:55:46  
I will promise you that the mold will be even worse. Find some old pallets or open a couple of bales of old hay and put down 2-4 inches of old hay. Providing that the floor is properly drained and water does not get in. What you have is the hay touching the ground absorbs enough water to mold so separating the hay you want to keep and the ground is the key. Using plastic will keep in every drop of moisture that the hay releases as it cures down from a 16% moisture content (good condition plenty dry to bale hay) to a storage % around 10-12% it will mold.

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Jim

06-18-2002 15:29:06




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 Re: Re: Hay storage question in reply to Jerry D in NC, 06-18-2002 12:36:56  
The boys are right , you've got to get air under the bottom level. That's why there was never a problem in barns with an elevated mow. Having those barns sheeted with boards having a gap between each board also helped by allowing the hay to breathe. However, if you can't get enough pallets , try using straw bales for the bottom layer and place them on edge which avoids having the twine rot.



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