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Rich

06-18-2002 12:07:14

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Hello All,

A few questions if I may from a rookie. I bought a tractor to mow and such. Now the wife saw next store at the neighbor where they cut and baled 21 large rounds from a pasture similar to ours. Now she would like some square bales made from ours. I got looking at some used cutting apparatuses but the variations seem to be many. What is the differences between a haybine, mower/conditioner, disc cutter, sicklemower, etc. Is it price of the equipment that keeps one from being the best? I've seen from junk to new and prices from free to the taker to well into the stratosphere. I have a '71 IH 1066 so I think I can pull just about any of them, but it doesn't have a cab so the disc mower was advised against. Any advice as to what I should be looking for? Thanks.

Rich

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Rich

06-19-2002 12:33:37

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

Thank you all for the advice! I am in central Texas so mostly it would be the johnson, coastal,haygraizer, sudan type grasses that would get cut. I was at an auction last w/e that an old Vermeer round baler went for $375. Also two rollabar IH rakes that went for $515 each so I guess that tells the story of the condition of the baler. I was thinking square baler but thought moving the bales could get to be too much. Also most around me use the big round and some have moved up to the large square(have you seen the price of those balers?) which I believe are way out of my price range. I am leaning toward New Holland as I like the dealer in Hillsboro. Any thoughts on the model numbers to look for for an inexpensive easy to repair older model cutter and baler? I think I can come across a good used rake(wish I had bid on those at the auction).Thanks again for your knowlege.

Rich

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Mike

06-19-2002 16:41:20

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Re: Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-19-2002 12:33:37

Rich,
If you're looking for a NH baler then most any model you could afford would work for you. I personally like the 273 in the older ones but that's just my preference. The one's older than that can bale also and are good balers. Take a close look at these things before you jump into one. Make sure rust hasn't eat it up.
Where was that auction? Email me next time there is one up there. I live southwest of Houston and would like to go to one in that area. A bit far for me to pull something home but I love seeing the equipment.
Take care.

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Rich

06-20-2002 13:29:28

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Re: Re: Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 16:41:20

Check the link for the next auction this group has. I think the site has a picture of the vermeer Baler that went for $375. I am going to look at a NH 182 this w/e if the man doesn't sell it in the mean time. He wants $750 for it.

Rich

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Rich

06-19-2002 12:31:34

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

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06-19-2002 08:47:32

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

Rich - you have recieved some good advice from everyone. I'm curious to what kind of hay you would be cutting? Alfalfa, Grass Hay (such as coastal), wheat, ..... The reason I ask is because that is how I would choose a cutter. For example I recently bought a new Vermeer 9ft disc cutter and my decision was based on the type of hay I was cutting. I cut grass hay in Texas, so I didn't see a need for a conditioner because grass hay dries very quickly here. If I cut Alfalfa I probably would have considered a conditioner. I have a 4020 w/out a cab. A cab would be nice but not mandatory. Just use caution as one would with any equipment. Hope this helps - JE

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bbott

06-18-2002 20:24:13

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

I use a disk mower with non-cab tractor. I wear safety glasses and wear a towel under my hat and around my neck like an Arab headress.

My fields are very clean as far as rocks are concerned and I haven't been hit by anything nastier than a severed gopher head.

The towel and glasses come in real handy when a disk mower meets a gopher mound or when you're working 'downwind'.

Having equipment that works right will make haying darn near enjoyable.

Having equipment that doesn't work right will turn haying season into a cursing nightmare.

Whatever you do, don't go near the equipment when it's running. Disengage the PTO and let the equipment come to a stop before getting out of the tractor seat.

-- bbott

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bbott

06-18-2002 20:22:44

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

I use a disk mower with non-cab tractor. I wear safety glasses and wear a towel under my hat and around my neck like an Arab headress.

My fields are very clean as far as rocks are concerned and I haven't been hit by anything nastier than a severed gopher head.

The towel and glasses come in real handy when a disk mower meets a gopher mound or when you're working 'downwind'.

Having equipment that works right will make haying darn near enjoyable.

Having equipment that doesn't work right will turn haying season into a cursing nightmare.

Whatever you do, don't go near the equipment when it's running. Disengage the PTO and let the equipment come to a stop before getting out of the tractor seat.

-- bbott

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Bill

06-18-2002 18:15:36

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

Mowers are plentiful for your tractor. Rakes, depending on yor acerage cou;ld be just about anything depending upon your acerage and money. From a steeled wheel rake for say 5 acres or so, up to a rubber tired model of the same version for up to 10acres or so, on up to the humpback rakes that simi mount with 2 tires in the rear for about any acreage up to say 50 acres. Spend yourn good money on the bailer. There are plenty of used bailers out there. They all are excellient (so the (hopfully)former owners say) but most of them will need alot of work and that takes A LOT of money. A higher dollar bailer that works is a good investment. Never kick hay intothe bailer pickup system, your foot may go with it. Good luck

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Mike

06-18-2002 16:27:09

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

Agen is right, a cab tractor is not mandatory for a disc mower. Just make sure your curtain is in good shape and is in place. Watch out for obstacles too. Guys down here mow all the time with non cab tractors and disc mowers. I personally don't like the idea but others don't seem to think twice about it.
Now, looks like the mowers are covered by Agen's post above. Next, a rake. You'll need some type of rake. Effective and cheap way out is a 3 point mounted wheel rake. Check out Sweet Tractor. They have M&W wheel rakes from 4 to 6 wheel ranging from about $700 to $900. These are new rakes. Another alternative is a used "rolla-bar". These are usually ground driven by a shaft on the tires to a gear box which turn 5 or 6 bars with teeth on them to "push" the hay to the side and leave a windrow behind you. Square baler. Could be a big money item. You can find used ones @ www.ironsearch.com or www.agdealer.com. These two web sites have alot of balers advertised there. Also watch classifieds in local papers and such. Not sure where you live but those two web sites are mostly for the Northern states.
Good luck and what ever you do, be careful around that hay baler. Those square balers have alot of moving parts on them and I learned this the hard way, never approach a square baler after it has missed tying a few bales and while it's still turning with the broken string wrapped around your hand. I almost lost an arm like that when I was younger. Alot older and smarter now.
Take care and good luck.

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AGEN

06-18-2002 13:42:05

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Re: Cutting Hay Questions in reply to Rich, 06-18-2002 12:07:14

Just to hit the high spots: A "haybine" is the same thing as a mower/conditioner. This machine has a cutting bar and then a set of crimpers that crush the grass, thus squeezing out juice and speeding drying time. The cutting bar can either be a sickle bar (just like a plain old sickle bar) or discs (like a plain old disc mower). These units have numerous names (like N.H. calls it a "Haybine" and now JD calls it a "MoCo") Obviously, you know what sickle mower and disc mower are. As you suggested...price varies with condition. One thing to consider is that the more complex the machine is, the more there is to break. If you are willing to pay the price, I'd go with a haybine. Disc mowers will be next costly and sickle mowers will be the cheapest. Also, we use a Vicon disc mower behind an open cab tractor all the time. Once in a while you'll get a little dirt thrown at you, but a cab is not mandatory to use a dics mower. Good luck.

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