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Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar)

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Mike

06-19-2002 17:02:19




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Been pondering on this for a few days.
I'm originally from North La. Back home, most everyone uses wheel rakes either on a cart or 3 point mounted. I know a six wheel rake can rake about 12'. I moved to SouthWest Houston and everyone out here uses the "rolla-bar" rakes. Some V types and others are singles. What gives? Anyone have any comments on the wheel vs the rolla-bar? I've got my mower ordered and the next step is the rake. Be getting in within a couple of weeks and acutally, never even gave the rolla-bar a chance. Just automatically was thinking "5 or 6 wheel rake".
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Mike F

06-20-2002 06:36:33




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
What is the difference between the two types of rakes?
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Mike F

06-20-2002 06:31:32




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
What is the difference between the two types of rakes?
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Doug in Il.

06-20-2002 05:40:51




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
The one and only good thing about a wheeel rake is that they are cheap!



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kyhayman

06-19-2002 20:20:01




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
Mike,

Jerry in NC gave one of the best descriptions I have seen on pros and cons. I used a wheel rake for about a month. Went back to rolabar. We do 2-3K acres a year and run nothing but NH 256's (3 of them). The wheel rake I had was a V and it didn't rope the hay (feeds better in a square baler) and in good hay to make a narrow enough windrow for a 4'round baler pickup it wants to make piles instead of windrows. The guy that bought my v rake loves it, he doesn't push for high yield per acre and is only doing grass hay for his own beef cows.

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rhudson

06-19-2002 20:09:24




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
ok. i purchased a wheel rake when my old bar rake bit the dust and i could not afford another one. it raked great,,different, but great. you have to plan your raking directions with a wheeled rake. right hand turns are a no-no because you loose the raking action if you turn moderately to the right. if you don't have good stablizers on your 3 pt hitch, you will loose raking effect when the rake shifts to the right. they tend to twist stalkie material or vines into a rope that will pull into some bailors to rapidly and cause cloging. they rake every thing (leaves, rocks, litter) while bar rakes will shed and not windrow a lot of the same.

after almost two decades of use on my 5 wheel rake, i purchased a trailor type double M & W 10 wheel rake. the double Vee allows me to combine three passes of my haybine into one windrow and cuts my raking time almost in half. the trailor is more stable than the 3 pt hitch double rake and is alot, a whole lot easier to hitch to. you can't get into some tight spots with the trailor but thats a trade off i was willing to concede. the M & W is alot better made than anything close to its price (mine was $3000) and has one feature the other rakes don't have. the m & W folds forward and up. this feature allows you to slightly fold the rakes forward creating a larger opening at the rear.whenyou get into heavy hay, you can spread the opening and allow the clog of hay to pass through without stopping like you would with other models (you need double acting hydraulics to operate the M & W). since it rakes from the left and right,tight turns in either directions will sacrifice raking action. i usually make the turns anyway and then as a finish, rake across the ends of the windrows to repair the mess. i have to admit the whole rigg seams a little rickey on rough land so i'm really glad i didn't purchase the lighter made models that John deere and others put their names on.

i waited four years to purchase the double rake and did a lot of studing before hand. i put up between 150 and 200 tons of fescue a year (not this dry year) single handed.i just wished i had purchased it years ago. sorry for being so long winded.

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Jerry D in NC

06-19-2002 20:01:48




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
Both rakes have advantages and both have drawbacks. I own both and use both and I will give you my opinions. It depends alot on what kind of hay you are cutting and what market you are baling for. First the wheel rakes. Wheel rakes will rake anything that is on the ground. If you are raking grass hay for cows that is a good thing. If you are raking Alfalfa for horse quality hay for sale that is a bad thing. It gathers alot of trash and old dead growth that makes the hay look bad and puts old decomposed stems and other trash in the hay risking appearance and quality. If you are raking a slick hay like straw that has been mowed with a sicklebar, the wheel rakes have a propensity to comb the crop instead of raking and that gets very frustrating as you will leave alot of hay on the ground. The wheel rakes will not rake a tight windrow and if the crop is thick it will "boil" and leave more large clumps than a Rolabar will. If you rake alfalfa with the dew on to save leaf loss it will scratch dirt and it will stick to the crop and make it dirty and dusty once baled. If you are raking grass hay in the middle of the day then the dirt is not an issue. If you are baling for personal use for cows then the old plant material will not matter as much as for horses.

Now for Rolabars. My perspective will be based on a NH Rolabar rake. Rolabars are not created equal. The NH rakes are heavier and do better at raking heavy crops but they are more expensive. A comparable V wheel rake capable of raking 20 ft will cost around $3000-$4000 new and $2000 used. The single Rolabar from NH will cost $4000 for 8 Ft. and a dual hitch setup will cost $10000 new. The Rolabar will build a fluffy windrow or roll a rope depending on how it is set up. They rake above the ground and do not engage dirt in the raking process. Now if the hay has taken a rain or is flat on the ground it will leave more hay in the field than the wheel rake. It works great taking a swath from the MoCo and flipping it for better drying but not as well as a tedder but that is another discussion. Using a V-Rake to do that is next to impossible but a single 4 or 5 wheel rake will do it.

Me and the gentleman that I do hay with are looking at switching over to Rolabars for his straw operation (15000 - 20000 bales a year) because the rolabars work better in thick heavy straw. For my Alfalfa I will use the Rolabar exclusively because it is for sale to a very finicky customer set that does not like to see any of the winter frozen stems in the bales of hay they are buying and if they see dust when they open a bale of alfalfa they will bring the hay back and there is no convincing them that the dust was dirt because that is not a good thing either. When I want to clean a field good after baling the first cutting the wheel rake comes out and is used because it leaves nothing.

If I have to own only one then it will be the rolabar but if you are baling grass hay for your own cows then the wheel rake will do you fine for less money. Remember the NH Rolabar (the Gold standard Caddie of rakes) has not changed designs since the mid 50's and they still hold a significant market share. A 40+ year old rake that will bring more at auction than a new 4 wheel rake sells for new must have something going for it.

Sorry about the long post but these are the observations I have made and you asked for information.

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Tx Jim

06-07-2005 09:30:02




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Jerry D in NC, 06-19-2002 20:01:48  
Jerry,I mostly agree with what you said but the newer V-rakes like the H&S high capacity do a job equivilant to a rolla-bar BUT they will put more DIRT and trash in windrow.I think my H&S will make as uniform a windrow without boiling as a rolla-bar. IMHO,Tx Jim



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Aggie

06-19-2002 18:43:28




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 Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 17:02:19  
DO NOT GET A ROLLABAR! The wheel rake is the better by far. I have a M&W 10 wheel rake and is works great!



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Mike

06-19-2002 19:00:08




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Aggie, 06-19-2002 18:43:28  
Hey Aggie,
I was thinking about a M&W rake also. Saw them on a web site for Sweet Tractor in Ky. Haven't looked around Houston to see if there's a dealer here close. Pretty good price too. I was looking at the 5 or 6 wheel rake. Would go alittle bigger but will be pulling it with a 8N alot and didn't want to get one too heavy for the little tractor. Will have the JD with the baler on it so the bigger tractor will be busy.
Thanks for your response.

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Aggie

06-21-2002 14:04:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 19:00:08  
I would go with a 6 wheel Rake. I use a 60 horse Deere to pull my 10 wheel rake and it pulls great.

Aggie



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Mike

06-19-2002 19:00:00




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Aggie, 06-19-2002 18:43:28  
Hey Aggie,
I was thinking about a M&W rake also. Saw them on a web site for Sweet Tractor in Ky. Haven't looked around Houston to see if there's a dealer here close. Pretty good price too. I was looking at the 5 or 6 wheel rake. Would go alittle bigger but will be pulling it with a 8N alot and didn't want to get one too heavy for the little tractor. Will have the JD with the baler on it so the bigger tractor will be busy.
Thanks for your response.

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Mike

06-19-2002 18:59:55




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 Re: Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Aggie, 06-19-2002 18:43:28  
Hey Aggie,
I was thinking about a M&W rake also. Saw them on a web site for Sweet Tractor in Ky. Haven't looked around Houston to see if there's a dealer here close. Pretty good price too. I was looking at the 5 or 6 wheel rake. Would go alittle bigger but will be pulling it with a 8N alot and didn't want to get one too heavy for the little tractor. Will have the JD with the baler on it so the bigger tractor will be busy.
Thanks for your response.

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Dennis

06-20-2002 06:46:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Rake (Wheel vs Rolla-Bar) in reply to Mike, 06-19-2002 18:59:55  
Try J5 tractor in Normangee, TX
I was at their field day and they have some good prices. Massey dealer two blocks away (Normangee Tractor) and they deal also.
Lots of wheel rakes in the yard.



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