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Disc plow versue chisel plow

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Ted Webb

06-30-2002 02:33:05




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Have the opportunity to get a disc plow (2 bottom)and chisel plow (both used) at a pretty good price. Have MF 135.

Not sure which (maybe both?) to get. Do they both do the same job? Will be putting winter pasture and/or improved pasture in where native pasture is now. Also, thought about using the chisel plow as a 'pasture renovator' for the native pasture.

Soil is a medium loam. I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.

Thank you.

Ted

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JoeinTX

06-30-2002 22:26:16




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 Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to Ted Webb, 06-30-2002 02:33:05  
Ted, I have the very exact setup as the one pictured below. Mine is a Ford NAA and a 7 shank Dale Phillips chisel/renovator just identical to the picture. It works very well for me working in pasture land that has been put back into native grass and in some small, old fields where I plant peas and oats for wildlife purposes. A disk plow and a chisel are two very different implements. The plow is intended to turn the soil completely in preparation for the classic drill or planter. It also has the side effect of greater erosion of the soil. The chisel is intended to break the soil beneath the top and allow in moisture and fertilizer with less disturbance to the ground layer-equaling less potential erosion. I have seen no downside whatsoever in allowing the previous years crop/grass residue to remain and putting in another years seed, either by drill or broadcast. If I understand what your purpose is, the small chisel is much better for your needs.....

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Ted Webb

06-30-2002 23:12:09




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 Re: Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to JoeinTX, 06-30-2002 22:26:16  
JoeinTx,

Thanks for that input. Like you said, the chisel would probably be more of what I need. Like I responded to Timnj, the one I'm looking at might be a bit heavier than the one in the picture. But figure I could still use it to renovate with and not try to deep. Maybe make 2 passes at 90 deg, what do you think. Know anything about 'Keyline'?

OBTW - Where are you in Texas? I'm a transplanted Ft. Worthian living in Australian.

Ted

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JoeinTX

07-01-2002 12:14:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to Ted Webb, 06-30-2002 23:12:09  
I like diagonal chiseling. Doing so at a 45 degree angle to the field, basically making an "X" pattern in the field, seems to do nicely. I'm afraid I don't know what "Keyline" is.... I live and work part-time in Irving for my primary pursuit (telecom), but the family place is about 100 miles west of Ft. Worth near Graham. Australia!?! I've always found Australia to be a very interesting place and hope to visit one day. What have you found most likable/dislakable about the place?

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thurlow

06-30-2002 08:04:29




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 Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to Ted Webb, 06-30-2002 02:33:05  
Your 135 will handle the two bottom plow with no problem. How many tines on the chisel plow? Your 135 is not gonna handle much of a chisel plow.



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Ted

06-30-2002 18:25:32




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 Re: Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to thurlow, 06-30-2002 08:04:29  
Thurlow,

Has 3 front, 4 back. Thought of reducing to maybe 3 total. Your thoughts??

Ted



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Ted Webb

06-30-2002 21:41:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to Tim(nj), 06-30-2002 18:53:15  
Tim(nj)

This 'chisel plow' I'm thinking about buying does look somewhat like the implement in your photo. However, it has large vertical springs on each shank and seems to have longer shanks. The present owner (with 50hp) says he runs it about 6 inches deep (with 7 shanks). He thought I might try 4 inches, then 8 inches with my MF135 (not sure if he meant with 7 or 3 shanks)???

I'm thinking that I could run it shallow (2-3 inches) with 7 shanks or deep (4-6 inches) with 3 shanks. Control depth with 3pt. Your thoughts???

When would you chisel plow vs disc plow?? Would you recommend a chisel plow over a disc plow? Would you recommend a cultivator (like in your photo) over a disc harrow??

Thanks

Ted

Thanks for the photo!

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paul

07-01-2002 05:50:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disc plow versue chisel plow in reply to Ted Webb, 06-30-2002 21:41:13  
Those are all difficult questions. :) For one, 'disk plows' are vertually unheard of 'here' so I wouldn't know what one is actually good for! :) 'Here' a chisel plow takes 20 hp or more per bottom to do any good - they are meant to go deep & fast, tearing up the ground & shattering it into chunks.

'Here' one would use a regular furrow plow to turn the ground & make it black in fall, get ready to seed anything in spring; disk (disk harrow?) or field cultivate in spring before planting. Most small tractors can't be bothered with a chisel plow.

To renovate my pasture I ran the field cultivator through it one spring when it was very dry. Then fertilized & seeded some legumes into the sod. Unfortunately it was a very dry year, & I should have ripped a bit deeper with the field cultivator. But still, got some clover & alfalfa & others established.

The disk plow will be good for making the field black & starting over. A regular disk (disk harrow?) or field cultivator will rip up an established pasture a bit to interseed new forage (disk for taller grass, field cultivator for short pasture or it will plug up).

I guess a chisel plow would work as a cultivator, but it really is a different implement that what your plan is, normally ripping deeply with much more hp. This makes some big chunks in sod if you really planned on doing heavy tillage. 'Here' chisel plows are used to rip up soybean stubble for next year's corn fields - it leaves some residue on top for erosion control, but breaks up the soil so it dries & warms in the sun next spring.

--->Paul

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