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Broken Brush HOg -need advice

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Chuck Shaughnes

07-23-2002 07:08:22




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I am a new tractor owner (used MF-50 1967) and have just purchased and begun using a used bushhog. It works fine but the gear oil is leaking out of the gear box and the 4 bolts holding it to the deck are loose.

1. I am assuming tha the loose bolts are the cause of the leaky olk.
2. I cannot find a way to hold the nuts (underside the deck) in place in order to tignten the bolts.
3. I removed the crown nut and tried to take of the 'plate' that holds the blades (in order to get to the nuts). Even with the crown bolt off, I an unable to take off the 'blade plate' (no idea what it is really called).

I was hoping to get it all apart, put some lockwashers on the nuts, sharpen the blades and get it back together in one piece but I am stuck as seen above.

Any ideas?

Chuck

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Pete Lamp

07-23-2002 12:57:53




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 Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Chuck Shaughnessy, 07-23-2002 07:08:22  
Chuck, Back when I was a King Kutter dealer, I would apply a small spot of weld to each bolt holding the gearbox in place so the nut could not back off. King Kutter is a good machine, but notorious for the gearbox bolts coming loose. What I found was, a guy would send his wife or teenage kid to the field with it. They would drive all day and never look back. If the bolts came loose, the damage would be done before anyone noticed. If you manage to get this apart and repaired, you may want to consider this.

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mark ct

07-23-2002 09:30:29




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 Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Chuck Shaughnessy, 07-23-2002 07:08:22  
you dont say what brand it is but i know that many john deere and bush hog brands mount with a tapered shaft. you need to wedje blocks behind it and thread the bolt on the end in so it is just loose and give it a good wack with a sledgehammer. this should pop it free. if it is a straight shaft then force will be needed,and maybe heat. i had a woods mower gearbox from a mower that had been scraped. it still had the blade carriage on it and i had to remove it to put the gearbox into another mower, i put it into a 75 ton press and nearly had it maxed out before i could finaly get it to move.

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hay

07-23-2002 07:29:50




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 Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Chuck Shaughnessy, 07-23-2002 07:08:22  
the "plate" that holds the blades on is called a "STUMP JUMPER". they are usually on very tight. is the oil leaking from the bottom? if so it might be the bottom seal that needs replacing and the stump jumper "plate" definatly needs to come off for that. as far as the loose gearbox bolts, they SHOULD be able to be tightened from the top unless the threads are stripped and then you need to replace the bolts with new ones. if unable to get them off, you may need to cut them off with a torch. you might be better off taking the bush hog to a repair shop. they have the tools and ability to do all that easier and faster. be safe!

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Chuck

07-23-2002 10:25:45




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 Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to hay, 07-23-2002 07:29:50  
Thanks Hay,
How do I get the stump jumper off. I pulled, pried, levered, hammered - everything I could think of. Is it just a tight press fit or is there more to it. And, if I get it off will I be able to get it back on?

It appears to me that is is leaking from the bottom of the gearbox. My thought was that there was a gasket between the gear box and the deck holding the oil in and that tightening the bolts would solve it.

The problem with tightening the bolts is that there are nuts under the deck that are moving - and I can't get to them with a tool to hold them in place.

Any more hints would be most helpful. Besides all that, I am not even sure where to take it for repair.

Chuck

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paul

07-25-2002 05:26:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Chuck, 07-23-2002 10:25:45  
I've worked with 6 tractors, combines, swather, trucks, planters, disks, snow blowers, and so on. There sure are some designs out there that just make a person want to shoot all design engineers on sight! :)

So, how can you determine there are nuts on the bottom of the deck, but you can't get a wrench on them? Generally if you can see or touch them, you can wrench them somehow.

The gear case is self-contained, the oil seal will be a part of the gearcase, not a part of the deck. I would assume that tightening it down will not solve the leaking problem. Generally the leak will be coming out past the shaft.

Popping the stump jumper can be quite a task. I've never done that, but have taken MORE than my share of bearings off of the combines. Tapered style can really, really be on tight, but will fall right off when you get them to move. Regular straight bushings can be a struggle the whole length of the shaft.

On the combine I ran into 1 that was a giant screw - this after pulling, pounding, heating very red, pulling some more.... Another was on so tight (giant cast sheave) that I pulled, pounded, heated (was told not too, but had no options left...) and pounded & pulled & heated, until the shaft split/crushed in half on the end. Never did move, had to find a good used replacement from a salvage combine, drove 60 miles and pulled the whole shaft off that combine, slipped it onto mine by taking the other end sproket off.....

They can be a challenge.

--->Paul

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Chuck

07-23-2002 08:40:09




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 Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to hay, 07-23-2002 07:29:50  
Thanks Hay,
How do I get the stump jumper off. I pulled, pried, levered, hammered - everything I could think of. Is it just a tight press fit or is there more to it. And, if I get it off will I be able to get it back on?

It appears to me that is is leaking from the bottom of the gearbox. My thought was that there was a gasket between the gear box and the deck holding the oil in and that tightening the bolts would solve it.

The problem with tightening the bolts is that there are nuts under the deck that are moving - and I can't get to them with a tool to hold them in place.

Any more hints would be most helpful. Besides all that, I am not even sure where to take it for repair.

Chuck

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hay

07-23-2002 10:34:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Chuck, 07-23-2002 08:40:09  
i think you are looking at a job that is gonna be a real PITA to do. most any tractor dealer that has a service dept. would be able to do it. it is NOT gonna be cheap. maybe consider trading it in on another one in better shape? i had a "hog" that the bolts came loose while i was using it. made a heckuva racket and vibration, but i was able to get it stopped and all i needed to do was tighten the bolts from the top. apparently someone at the factory did not correctly torque them. it could have been a dangerous situation.

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F14...Another possibility

07-23-2002 09:04:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Chuck, 07-23-2002 08:40:09  
What you call the "Blade Plate" may not be a stump jumper. A stump jumper is a circular plate about 2 feet in diameter with the outer edges turned up like a pie plate. It clamps on over the blade mounts, and is designed to ease the machine up and over stumps and other obstacles without pounding the daylights out of the blades. If what you have is a heavy T shaped piece with the long leg of the T going up into the gear box, you're looking at a different situation. I'm not sure what it's properly called either, but they are frequently a press-fit onto the gearbox shaft, and you'll need a B-I-G puller to get it off!

Depending on the age and overall condition of the 'hog, it might be better to get someone to help you torque down the gearbox bolts, fill it full of grease (which won't leak past the seals) and call it good. Removing/repairing/replacing a gearbox on a 'hog is a major PITA, and won't be cheap if you can find someone else willing to tackle it.

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Ludwig

07-23-2002 15:17:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to F14...Another possibility, 07-23-2002 09:04:07  
F14's right, of course he's seen my bushhog full of grease too.
You can't run just grease though, it'll cavitate and make a heck of a noise, oh and then it'll burn the bearings. If it starts howling STOP THE MOWER and put in some oil. I usually pump it about half full of grease and then fill the rest with used motor oil. Leave the motor oil to settle for a few months and then skim the "good" oil off the top, get a funnel and put it in the gearbox. It'll leak out in a few hours but your grease will be soft and worked into the bearings and such by then. Maybe every other day I'll put in some 90wt too.

As for your bolts, leave the bushhog attached to the tractor and jack up one side. BLOCK IT GOOD!!
I REPEAT BLOCK IT GOOD!!!
You don't want that thing falling on you. Take a look at your gearbox from underneith. I expect you're going to find a wire or something wound around the shaft, thats what's eaten the seal on the gearbox. While you're there check out how big stuff is, thats why I haven't fixed the seal on mine. Someday I'll buy another mower.
Okay, scope out the bolts. I thought that you'd have bolts going into a ring, but it sounds like you might have bolts with nuts. You'll probably need somebody to help. Make sure you use good lockwashers and you might want to put locktite on, depends on if you want to do this again!

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Chuck

07-24-2002 17:23:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broken Brush HOg -need advice in reply to Ludwig, 07-23-2002 15:17:47  
The brand is HiCo - Howse Implement Company. Anyone ever work on one of these with some ideas?



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