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Best tilling combination?

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Allan

07-29-2002 19:05:59




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I have switched my veggie growing operation (a small operation) over to a christmas tree/dug tree operation. First couple of years there has been no problems, clear land tilled and planted. Now I am planting on land with residual roots left from the trees. The old two bottom plow is having some trouble with the roots and a few stumps.

I am considering purchasing and using a chisel plow and a howard Rotovator in place of the 2 bottom and disk harrow and spike tooth harrow.

Does anybody use this combination to work with trees and is it successful in dealing with the roots? I want to get to a seed bed with only two tools instead of three.

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JMS/MN

07-31-2002 22:54:49




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 Re: Best tilling combination? in reply to Allan, 07-29-2002 19:05:59  
If you are considering a Howard rotavator, why would you need anything else? Don't they work in untilled ground- thus why the need for a chisel plow? Even if it takes two passes to make a good seedbed, I'd think it would be better than two machines.



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Robert in W. Mi.

07-30-2002 15:18:32




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 Re: Best tilling combination? in reply to Allan, 07-29-2002 19:05:59  
I'm with the crowd that says "why till at all??" But, if i was you, and was going to till, i'd buy a 3 point "ripper", and a Howard rotavator. I'd rip on both sides of the tree stumps, and deal with the roots with the rotavator. OLD roots and stumps won't need ripping, just rotavate!! I'm assumeing you are going to get one of the HD models that Howard sells (HR30??), and that you have enough pto hp to power it properly! I've rotavated stumps and roots with mine numerous times. Robert

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ShepFL

07-30-2002 09:49:26




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 Re: Best tilling combination? in reply to Allan, 07-29-2002 19:05:59  
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Allan -
For my efforts in N. Fl. I use a disk plow. Down here we refer to them as "New Ground" plows. IMHO it takes less HP to turn the ground and there is no plow point to bury in a stump! I use this extensively after a control burn to invigorate the soil. My stumps were 12-28" dia. and lots of "fatlighter"

For the new pines I have not harvested my timber yet, but don't anticipate much of an issue as trees will be pulp wood (small dia.) but larger than Christmas trees.

I would strongly suggest you consider Jerry D of NC comments (PS - might also want to go by Agri-Supply) hee-hee. Timber companies down here just run a heavy crusher after the harvest then hill up dirt between old rows.

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Allan

07-31-2002 17:46:18




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 Re: Re: Best tilling combination? in reply to ShepFL, 07-30-2002 09:49:26  
Shep,
Your disc plow looks interesting and might fill the job needed, what make and model is it? Are they still manufactured and what is the diameter of the disc wheels.

I also remove trees by digging and that leaves to many ruts and five to seven years of mowing compacts the ground, it needs to be loosened up the trees grow faster and I can turn around the crop faster. (this equals more money) I wholesale them out by the patch and start with a fresh new level seed bed. New weed seed not a problem a little herbecide in the right places and an aggressive mowing program keeps them down. also by removing the stumps it keeps my diease and pest problems down.

Thanks for all the good imput and suggestions I really appriecate the good advice.

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Jerry D in NC

07-30-2002 06:55:37




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 Re: Best tilling combination? in reply to Allan, 07-29-2002 19:05:59  
Having grown up in the mountains of NC during the beginning days of Christmas trees and working with them up until a couple of years ago, I have seldom seen a cut over field plowed. We just go back through and set seedlings beside the old stump and let it go from there. We would take a splitting maul and go through the field after cutting the trees and hit the stump one or two good licks with that maul and it would rot in a matter of a year. Splitting it causes it to take on water and rot faster. The only times I have seen it tilled, we would take a one bottom plow and go down the row of trees and pop those guys right out of the ground. That would be for Frasier Fir and White Pine. Once it got smooth enough to mow we never tilled it again though, never saw a reason to turn up fresh weed seed.

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paul

07-30-2002 05:28:54




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 Re: Best tilling combination? in reply to Allan, 07-29-2002 19:05:59  
I have NO experience.

I think the chisel plow will place the roots on top of the ground, which may or may not be what you want?

Some have said the heavy disk plows handle roots better than a molboard plow?

I've seen _very_ heavy large-bladed disks (disk-harrow) but few blades that were made for working timberland.

Again, I have no actual clue. But sometimes when a dummy like me makes a foolish comment, others will respond with helpful advise? :)

--->PAul

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