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Cleaning out fence rows II

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Evan350

08-01-2002 08:31:13




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Thanks for the suggestions. Considering the milage of overgrown fence lines on this property, using equipment like a tracked excavator might be the way to go. We also have a pond that is 90% grown over and the dam leaks, so there's a 2nd job for the excavator.




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G Taylor....where did the bunny rabbits go?

08-03-2002 09:42:57




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 Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 08:31:13  
Don't know your circustances but here's what happens around here. Someone purchases a lot or farm within a hour or so drive from a urban center. They proceed to clear fencelines and bush hog the whole place into a lawn. Then they let the pets run free and hunt. Now the bitching and phone calls to various gov't agencies start about farming practices, where did the cute little bunny rabbits go, stop that farm from smelling and only run your equipment from 9 to 5 on weekdays.

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JMS/MN

08-02-2002 23:53:19




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 Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 08:31:13  
In our state, it's the Department of Natural Resources. DNR. Darn Near Russia. They claim title toevery drop of water that falls in the state, and figure farmers need to store it for the benefit of the state. If the state needs to store file cabinets, etc, in the capitol city- they pay storage, but in the country, that's our job!



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TomH

08-01-2002 17:00:00




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 Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 08:31:13  
Despite some others' opinions, I'd check with the Gov't guys first. As rhouston mentions, a neighbor can report you if you try to sneak something in. My experience is that if you let them know what you are planning, they'll tell you how to stay out of trouble.

Here's a story: I needed to cross a pretty good sized stream (a river according to it's name) to get to a part of my farm. It's illegal to cross any waterway with a moterized vehicle here in PA; I asked the Department of Environmental Protection for a permit to drive across. Part of the application process was to inform the township of the plan. When the supervisors read it at their monthly meeting someone commented "Sounds like a CYA" (which it was). I received the permit is less than two weeks, it's good indefinitely and allows me to drive cross the river whenever I want for "agricultural purposes".

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gy3020

08-01-2002 13:58:59




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 Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 08:31:13  
In reading these posts on this discussion, it really makes me sit here looking at them in utter awe and amazement at how far over the edge this country has gone. Next thing you know there will be some agency going around with little meters to stick in our rear ends when we fart to see if we are in specs. Something needs to be done as this is crazy and totally out of control. I agree that the enviroment is something we should take care of but things have gotten out of control with all the things that we have seen from your discussion.

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Jerry S

08-01-2002 14:42:21




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 Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to gy3020, 08-01-2002 13:58:59  
You got that right. If it isn't some loon thinking every wild creature should live then it is the consumer groups putting out ridiculous "science" to support some whacked motivation they have. Then the press goes and throws it out and fabricates the story more to be like it is real and causes others to start believing it. The only sensible ones left seem to be on boards like this one. Not sure there are enough of us left to hold the fort.

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gy3020

08-01-2002 20:35:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Jerry S, 08-01-2002 14:42:21  
I bet there are more of us than we think, its just getting everyone together and standing up to these idiots who are coming up with this stuff. Maybe we need to start a new discussion on this subject? What do ya think?



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Jerry S

08-02-2002 10:34:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to gy3020, 08-01-2002 20:35:02  
gy3020, I deal with this kind of fight daily in my job. I sure have strong opinions about how overregulated we are getting to be in some industries now. Real science and common sense don't play any part in how this happens anymore. It does need discussed but is hard to talk about when the press controls what is publically talked about everywhere but here.



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gy3020

08-02-2002 11:26:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Jerry S, 08-02-2002 10:34:53  
I know what your saying, thats for sure. We should go back about 30 or 40 years in time and live better.



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G Taylor...........power,control ego

08-03-2002 09:25:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to gy3020, 08-02-2002 11:26:51  
All these rules and regulations give meaning and satisfaction to those types who can't make it on thier own outside of gov't or some group.



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Jim in Michigan

08-01-2002 12:16:23




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 Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 08:31:13  
Some guy here took and made some big ponds for the ducks and such to nest in and for other animals to use,,DEQ nailed him with a 2.5 mil fine and jail time for destroying a wetland,, also he has to pay for the damage on top of the fines,,, he fled the area and they are now looking for him to arrest him,,,,Jim



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Tim(nj)

08-01-2002 09:51:48




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 Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 08:31:13  
You better check local, state and federal regulations on cleaning that pond and fixing the dam. Here in New Jersey, somebody took a backhoe and dredged his pond. State DEP showed up, said he was in violation of wetlands and water quality laws (something about disturbing the catttails and mud from the pile the excavator made washing into the nearby creek) and local NRCS said he violated runoff control laws, and next thing you know he's got $20000 in fines and legal fees to deal with.

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Evan350

08-01-2002 10:58:44




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 Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Tim(nj), 08-01-2002 09:51:48  
This is already a man made pond, but I'll check the regs.



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Bill

08-02-2002 08:29:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 10:58:44  
We looked at a new development 18 months or so ago. One of the lots was marked 'wetlands'. I swear on a stack of bibles it was a bulldozer scrape !



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rhouston

08-05-2002 13:39:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Bill, 08-02-2002 08:29:22  
on RT 86 through southern New York State we have "natural area" signs posted along highway. all the Natural area's were man made during rad construction



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Tim(nj)

08-01-2002 15:48:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 10:58:44  
This was also a man-made pond.
Combine boy had a suggestion in the last series of posts about burning off the fencelines. Only controlled pile burns, with proper permits, are permitted in New Jersey, and only during certain times of year, and only up to a certain amount of brush. Other states may or may not have similar laws. But burning standing brush is a big no-no! With all the wildfires in the country now, doing something like that will result in jail time, I'm sure.

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rhouston

08-01-2002 12:53:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to Evan350, 08-01-2002 10:58:44  
I think they still getcha on a man made one too.
I guy in my town got hit for filling in a flood plain. only problem i saw was the "flood plain" was the side of a very steep hill next to the river. in order for the water to use said "flood plain" was if the city of Olean was under about 30 feet of water!! go figure. usually some neighbor turns ya in.



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jim

08-01-2002 18:20:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cleaning out fence rows II in reply to rhouston, 08-01-2002 12:53:53  
We have a creek flowing through one of our farms. The previous owner had pastured cattle on the creek flats for years and cattails grew from bank to bank in many areas resulting in dramatic slowing of the water movement. In order to clear the cattails, I had to have two different gov't agencies investigate. Actually it turned out well, their only request was to not excavate within 3' of the banks. Worked great , banks are still in good shape, water flows much better and we used the soil to fill low spots in other fields. Took about a year for the new soil to dry before leveling it.

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