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Bud

08-02-2002 19:06:20




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New Holland 68 hayliner. I have tried every adjustment till I am blue in the face. Feeder forks, knife clearance & sharpness, windrow quality etc. Nothing has worked so far. That little plate thingy next to the bale chamber is there but it is bent at a 90 deg. angle down towards the pick up reel. Does anybody know of a picture of this part? I am sure that it is part of the problem, but I have no idea as to how it is supposed to look and if it's doing it's job. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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johnK(nj)

08-14-2002 15:53:54




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
I have a model 68. When I first used it making mixed gras hay, it tied fine, but broke flywheel shear bolts, and gave bananna bales. The timing was perfect, as was also the plunger stop. Talking to the local farmers, I was told the problem was the knife clearance. Sure enough, when I checked, the clearance was about 1/4 inch. I adjusted the plunger toward the stationary knife to about 1/16 inch ( As far as it would go). Bales started to come out 100% better but still had slight bananna. Also shear bolts stoped breaking. For second cutting, I took the knifes out, sharped them, and shimed the stationary knife so that I got better then 1/32 clearance book calls for. Bales came out better with slight bananna. This time I could adjust for the bale shape by using more bale tension on the bigger side. Even after all this, bale shape would vary according to how even the baler was being fed. I found that the machine likes to go slow and EAT. Hay was cut with a 9' NH 469, and each pass was raked into a windrow about 2/3 as wide as the baler. 2nd gear on a gas 4010 worked well, until the windrow got light. Speeding up on thin rows worked better. As an experiment I raked 2 mower passes into 1 big windrow. Had to use 1st gear, but the 68 ate it up and baled it well.

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John K

08-05-2002 06:10:57




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
I have a model 68. When I first used it making mixed gras hay, it tied fine, but broke flywheel shear bolts, and gave bananna bales. The timing was perfect, as was also the plunger stop. Talking to the local farmers, I waw told the problem was the knife clearance. Sure enough, when I checked, the clearance was about 1/4 inch. I adjusted the plunger toward the stationary knife to about 1/16 inch ( As far as it would go).
Bales started to come out 100% better but still had slight bananna. Also shear bolts stoped breaking. For second cutting, I took the knifes out, sharped them, and shimed the stationary knife so that I got better then 1/32 clearance book calls for. Bales came out better with slight bananna. This time I could adjust for the bale shape by using the bale tension on the bigger side. Even after all this, bale shape would vary according to how even the baler was being fed. I found that the machine likes to go slow and EAT. Hay was cut with a 9' NH 469, and each pass was raked into a windrow about 2/3 as wide as the baler. 2nd gear on a gas 4010 worked well, until the windrow got light. Speeding up on thin rows worked better. As an experiment I raked to mower passes into 1 big windrow. Had to use 1st gear, but the 68 ate it up and baled it well.

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Jim in michigan

08-03-2002 10:20:16




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
I am using the same baler as you. Mine was making banana bales earlier and we tightened up on side of the adjusters at the rear of the baler and now it is fine,,,,, Try that ,,,,Jim



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punchie

08-03-2002 07:08:10




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
HI

First I would ask, do you see a difference in baling straw, hay 1st or 2nd cut or is all about the same?

Baling direction I don't thinks so.

Row size, maybe. Speed of ground traveled, maybe. Speed of baler, maybe.

How high is your hitch?

Do the 68's have bale stops or wegdes ( sp) ?

Crop too dry? That is a big one.

Bale too long?

Bale too tight?

I use a allis chalmer 444 to bale these all make a difference in that type of baler.

IF I HAVE TROUBLE Normaly I clean out all of the crop, from the baler. Loosen the bale tension springs, reset where I think they should be, set both the same, to start. If things look funny I tighten the bigger of the to sides two turns bale a couple more bale and recheck . Do up to 3 times, no more than 6-8 turns different on my baler ( your can or may have a weak bale spring) so yours maybe different. Look from back and see if it looks square, not going to make a square bale if too out of shape.

Is there any ram setting like a wear broard, or rollers, track cleaners, that may need set.

Feed rake, do they ( the bales look like they have curved packed hay like it is turned or twised ( sp ), may need worked on, or reset, re timed.

Do give up. I get allot of this , it is an art to use a baler that has had 150,000-200,000 bales though it , but she bin a good one.


Best of Luck!!!!

Punchie

moldovan@brads.net if I can help

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Rick

08-03-2002 06:53:18




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
that is common problem on early new holland balers because they do not have a packer fork on them like deer uses. I would try these two adjustments. First make sure the rotofeed system goes as far to the plunger that is possible. Second try setting the tension adjustment at back of chamber tighter on one side than other. It make take alot of difference or it may be an inch in adjust.



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Rick

08-03-2002 06:52:36




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
that is common problem on early new holland balers because they do not have a packer fork on them like deer uses. I would try these two adjustments. First make sure the rotofeed system goes as far to the plunger that is possible. Second try setting the tension adjustment at back of chamber tighter on one side than other. It make take alot of difference or it may be an inch in adjust.



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Jim H.

08-03-2002 06:26:11




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
I really think it's that knife clearance thing. I have the same problem - same baler. I got new forks, moved 'em all around, I mean ALL around, to no avail. The only thing that helped at all was adjusting the plunger, per the manual, to ride closer to the stationary knife. I ran out of adjustment, so I couldn't achieve the 1/32" clearance like the manual said - I must still have 1/8". It helped, but not enough. I need to put shims behind the stationary knife to get it over to the plunger. Too much hay is being sucked in the near side without being cut off, making the bale heavy on that side. I really think getting this 1/32" or less clearance is the ticket. Things to do in the off-season!

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Jerry A.

08-03-2002 06:19:27




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
Hey, my Super 68 does the same thing. Just put some new parts in one of the knotters, and it's tieing great knots, but about every 6-8 bales, one comes out lopsided. Most aren't too bad, just assymetrical (FLB's...funny lookin' bales).

The little spring loaded plate (kinda shaped like a triangle) on my baler hangs down at about a 30 degree angle, not 90 degrees. Mine looks intact and in decent shape, i.e., not bent or malformed. Yours may have been bent down too far (?).

I've got to sharpen the plunger knife, but it sounds like that won't help me either.

If you ever figure out what helps, please post it on this site for all us other guys to learn from.

Good luck.

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Brandon

08-03-2002 05:56:39




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
I have a 67 that did that too. Try adjusting the feeder tines so that it puts the hay evenly in the bale chamber. Also, adjusting the tension at the end of the bale chamber will help too. Good luck.
Do you have a manual for your baler? Let me know, I have one for my 67 and could mail you some copied pages if you need.
Good luck,
Brandon



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ken

08-02-2002 21:30:19




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 Re: Dang bananna bales in reply to Bud, 08-02-2002 19:06:20  
I have a 275 hayliner and it was doing the same thing.The hay fingers were in place but i had'nt ever seen a new one till i bought one for comparasion and they were worn off a few inches .The new ones reach almost to the floor of the chamber mine did not.Changed all of them and helped a lot. As you have tried i found using a small windrow works for the best.Also the fingers next to the chamber are curved a little and a little shorter than the others.I know what you are dealing with.I've been told that it's just a hayliner trademark because of the fingers.

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