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Disking

clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question?

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Chuck, WA

08-26-2002 06:49:43




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Tractor newbie...disking for the first time. I'm disking a couple of acres of idle pasture that was left to go to weeds and not mowed or irrigated (we're in very dry country here) for a couple of years. I want to re-establish pasture grass to cut for horse hay. I've been mowing and irrigating through the summer, and some grass is emerging, but weeds are still dominant.

MF35 diesel tractor pulling a disk that's only 4-5 ft wide, two sets of disks. The two sets (front and back) are at opposite angles. Front disks are angled to the left of forward direction, rear to the right.

It's obvious that the disks cut differently - on corners - when going clockwise than when going counter clockwise. It seems like I want to be turning into the direction the disks are cupped - so that the front disks are cutting into the turn, not dragging their back (convex) side into the turn. Is that correct?

Is this really as dumb a question as it seems?

Other thougts, tips or advice?

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Chuck, WA

08-27-2002 06:07:04




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 Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to Chuck, WA, 08-26-2002 06:49:43  
Thanks y'all for the advice. We (my farm-raised wife and I) apparently have some sense. We started out exactly as you suggested before reading these posts. She said to disk in the runoff direction, then finish cross-wise to minimize erosion. We also did a few around the edge, raising the disk to turn.

Came out good, but still a lot of weeds that have been cut up and turned up but not under. We've been bush hogging all summer to discourage weeds and irrigating to keep it green to minimize fire danger, then bush hogged just before disking to maximize disk cut. Last night I started in with a springtooth now that the weeds are chopped up some - running in the same runoff direction as first disking. Will finish that tonight and then crosswise, then spike harrow to try to smooth it up a bit.

Gotta figure out the draft control on my MF35. I understand the principle, just not the mrechanics of setting it. Will have to pull out the manual and read it again. Suggestions?

The biggest problem right now is that the remains of the weeds keep piling up in the throats of the outer two tines of the springtooth. Gotta lift it to clear pretty regularly, but it's coming along. Any suggestions?

We hope to finish prep so we can seed before our next irrigation cycle starts in about a week so we can irrigate right after seeding. We irrigate heavily about every twelve days, but I hope to irrigate lighter and more often to prevent erosion until our irrigation shuts down at the end of October. Hopefully it will get well established as the rain starts and through the winter to not get choked out by weeds come spring. Thanks again for your help.

Gotta again rave about what a great tractor my MF35 diesel is for this kind of small/hobby farming! :)

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Bill

08-26-2002 22:31:42




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 Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to Chuck, WA, 08-26-2002 06:49:43  

Make a few rounds around the field. Then disc from north t south clear acros the field. Then disc East to West clear across the field. After doing that you will not be able to tell of much differentation in style of discing. But always go first with the direction the rain will wash the field, then finish up by going the opposit way to helphold the ground against said washing. Good luck



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JMS/MN

08-26-2002 16:59:38




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 Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to Chuck, WA, 08-26-2002 06:49:43  
Doesn't matter. Make several passes on one end of the field to allow enough room to turn with the disk raised, disk your way to the other end of the field, and do the same- then work the field back and forth. On odd shaped fields, make several rounds around the field and then work back and forth. Back and forth may be in the direction it was plowed, or a slight angle- 20-30 degrees- to do a better job of leveling the plowed surface.

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Sid

08-26-2002 12:03:00




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 Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to Chuck, WA, 08-26-2002 06:49:43  
The only dumb question is the one not asked. Is your disc a trailer or mounted. if mounted they do not work very good trying to turn My opinion is use either one as a plow follow to the left of the previous pass for a smoother job this would be a counter clockwise direction and come back and disc out the corners or lay out a land as plowing with a molboard plow and then disc out the head land withe the trailer type I pick it up when I turn. The bottom line is what please you and gives you the result you want.

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Chuck, WA

08-26-2002 14:20:55




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 Re: Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to Sid , 08-26-2002 12:03:00  
Sid...disk is 3-point mounted, no wheels. Correct...does not turn well or cut well when turning. I've been picking it up to turn unless turns are very gradual and that is working OK. Sounds like whatever works is the key. Just thought I'd ask in case there's a right way to do it that would get the job done better. Thanks for your reply.



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JMS/MN

08-28-2002 17:21:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to Chuck, WA, 08-26-2002 14:20:55  
Chuck, your first post left me thinkking you had a pull type offset disk, but if it is mounted, it must be a typical tandem disc, where in an overhead view, the gangs would look like an 'x'? Mounted tillage tools are not made to be left in the ground on turns- consider the stress on the hitch when turning. As far as direction, one poster says go N-S, then E-W. That would depend on which way the field is situated, and still would make for an extremely rough ride. Tillage at right angles does not level the field as well as going at an angle to plowing- it just makes the ride rougher. Your final pass should be at right angles to the direction of water runoff, to minimize erosion, and various spots in the field might need special attention. Not all gullies know how to follow a compass reading! That's why humans are supposed to be in charge. That might eliminate a lot of govt experts.

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claude daniel

08-28-2002 19:30:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Disking - clockwise or counterclockwise...dumb question? in reply to JMS/MN, 08-28-2002 17:21:34  
Disk in a straight-a-line as possible. As mentioned above, it puts too much stress on the equipment. Your outside blades on the front will crack and break away from the axle due to turning with the disk down. It is no fun changing blades and expensive too!
Do you know how to pivot the tractor at the end of the field?



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