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Fine tuning a knotter

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Jim.UT

09-02-2002 07:42:05




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I've been completely over my MF 124 baler that doesn't seem to want to tie knots. Before I get into my question let me say that I know the answer most of you will have is "get rid of that Massey baler and buy a John Deere or New Holland". That is not an option ($$$). And I know there is an answer out there somewhere.

Some background: baler quit tying last spring. Finally found a broken bill hook on the left side. Bought a junkyard replacement and installed it. Now the other side is having a problem. I've timed everything per the manual and sharpened the knives. I've been turning this thing by hand for a few days trying to figure it all out. My main problem is I really didn't know what the operation was supposed to look like so it was hard to spot any deviations from normal.

What I've figured out is that the knot gets tied around the bill hook then is supposed to slide off as the plunger sends the bale down the chute. On the right side the knot seems to be hanging up on the hook. I can't see why. As the bale continues down the chute, the knot either unties itself or the twine snaps, I'm not sure which. The angle of the hook seems to be the same as the left side. The spring tension on the jaw seems the same as the left side. I can't see any rough spots that would hang up the twine. What should I look for next?

Thanks.

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ben there

09-03-2002 19:12:44




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 Re: Fine tuning a knotter in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 07:42:05  
You might get a helper to turn the fly wheel slooowly so that you can see what is happening..

You may try loosening the tension on the bill hook or adjusting the tension on the chute so the bales are even on each side as they come out of the chamber.
good luck.



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ben there

09-03-2002 19:12:29




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 Re: Fine tuning a knotter in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 07:42:05  
You might get a helper to turn the fly wheel slooowly so that you can see what is happening..

You may try loosening the tension on the bill hook or adjusting the tension on the chute so the bales are even on each side as they come out of the chamber.
good luck.



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Garry

09-02-2002 10:25:18




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 Re: Fine tuning a knotter in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 07:42:05  
Jim,

If the massey knotter is anything like the one on your Ford, check to make sure the wiper is pushing the knot 'off' the bill hook as it cuts the twine. 2nd- make sure the lower backside of the billhook doesn't have a small groove wore (will be smooth - not rough) that lets the twine get a little grip on the billhook instead of sliding off when the wiper goes by.....a small groove to help hold the twine and some slack in the wiper will cause the wiper to bounce over rather than push the knot off.

If the knot is hanging on the billhook and the twine is 'breaking' as the bale moves out, (my opinion) the billhook should still be holding part of the twine knot, ie..too much tension on the billhook jaw to release the knot and/or the wiper not pushing the knot off due to missing it or a (groove) holding the twine on the billhook.

Garry

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ps...cycling the knotter...--glc

09-02-2002 10:35:06




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 Re: Re: Fine tuning a knotter in reply to Garry, 09-02-2002 10:25:18  
by hand with no tension on the twine (as a bale in the bale chamber)will cause the knotters to do all sorts of wierd stuff. Get a couple of bungee straps about the right length..... hook to bale chamber and twine so tension is made similiar to a bale going through. BE CAREFUL that the bungee is tied secure and won't jump off (either end) and far enough back that the needles don't drag it up into the operation.

Good luck

GArry

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JMS/MN

09-02-2002 08:30:03




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 Re: Fine tuning a knotter in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 07:42:05  
How about the tucker fingers- worn pivots or linkage.Clearance of the needles going past the knotters? Bale tension set the same on each side?



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Jim.UT

09-02-2002 08:42:24




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 Re: Re: Fine tuning a knotter in reply to JMS/MN, 09-02-2002 08:30:03  
Clearance of needles checks out. I don't know what tucker fingers are. I'm a dumb city kid and the only words I know for sure are the ones in the manual. They don't mention tucker fingers so I'm not sure what you mean. Thanks for the tips.



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