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Allan

09-09-2002 00:25:21




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I have a 65 hp tractor and a 2X14 3pt. plow, will it work? I can not afford to upgrade at this time.

I am wondering if it will work well? What problems should I expect? The tractor is new to me and I have never plowed with one this big. Always used a 30 hp which is out of comission.

I have the bushings for Cat 1 to 2.




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Ed

09-16-2002 07:46:37




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
Yea it's too big but you can probably use it. If you have a 15.5 or larger tire on the back it won't work right as the tire won't sit in the furrow. If you have 12" or 13" tires you can adjust them in for the furrow to cover over correctly. If you can't adjust the tires in enough your out of luck.

I have a 70hp 686 that runns perfectly with a 3-16 rollover. My dad used the same plow on his 100hp 966. It worked fine so we went a little faster - the front frame on the plow took a beating.

Go slow and don't plow faster than the plow can handle. Your 65hp can probably pull that plow 10 or 12 mph but that is way too fast for plowing.

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They nearly all missed the point

09-10-2002 10:20:54




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
You are asking if your tractor is too big. Most likely, Yes it is too big. I have tried what you are asking about. On your second pass, you want your right front tire to run in the furrow from the last pass. If you do this, look back as you are plowing, you will see a strip of ground nearly a foot wide which will not get turned over.(between the first and second pass) Your 2 bottom plow is probably not wide enough to cover the width of your tractor.

I had the same problem with my 60hp utility tractor. Yours is probably bigger than mine. Plowing that way is easy, but weeds will quickly reappear from that strip which did not get turned over.

This is probably not what you wanted to hear, but I hope I answered your question.

P.S. 3 bottom 3pt plows are sometimes cheaper than 2 bottom plows, because less people use them. I just bought a nice one for $135, and passed on another for $100 because the coulters were missing.

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Dave in Mo

09-10-2002 04:46:53




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
I used my 2-12 plow behind a Ford 4000 this Spring....and it wasn't too nice. Set up was a major headache and the plow took a pounding. Plow fits our 8N like a glove but the wheel spacing on the larger machine was a problem. I'd invest in a larger plow.



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wheat straw

09-09-2002 19:06:41




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
Allan,

Something else to consider. Shift to a faster gear but throttle back to a low rpm and save fuel. you've got plenty of horsepower to waste but you don't have to waste fuel too.

have fun

Wheat Straw



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Jerry (AL)

09-09-2002 18:43:01




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
The Massey dealer said that it takes 15 HP per 14 bootom plow in general terms. It makes a lot of difference as to the type of soil.

The thing that quickly comes to mind with all that horsepower on such a smallish plow concerns things such as rocks etc. With all that HP, it would be pretty easy to destroy the plow if you hung a rock. I have hit a few and it would stop the 8N with the small plow. With the 54 HP Massey and all the traction, it would have probably destroyed the old 8N plow.

Since I have rocks on the land, I invested in a much strurdier three bottom trip plow.

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Richard

09-09-2002 04:45:27




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
Torque is what does the work, but a two bottom plow should easily be pulled by a 65 HP tractor. I plow with a 2X14 pulled be an older 20 horse tractor, and my problem is traction sometimes. I have to use wheel weights in clay or across untilled land. Plow adjustment will make alot of difference also. When in the furrow, level the plow across the shears. front to rear draft should be level, adjusted with the 3-point.

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Roy in UK

09-09-2002 03:15:37




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 Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan, 09-09-2002 00:25:21  
65 hp should be more than adequate.In most conditions a 65hp tractor should be able to handle 3 14" furrows.



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Allan is the Tractor to Big for a 2 bottom plow?

09-09-2002 13:00:11




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 Re: Re: Plowing Question in reply to Roy in UK, 09-09-2002 03:15:37  
I am not sure my original post was clear. I am new to this discussion with typing. Please bear with me. What I meant to post was is the tractor too big. I know it is powerful enough.

Can your tractor be too big for the plow? As far as leveling compaction of furrows already plowed etc. I wanted to know what else could cause me problems. Richard you posed some ideas that I will need to watch on leveling and adjustment.

Thanks

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paul

09-09-2002 21:55:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan is the Tractor to Big for a 2 bottom plow?, 09-09-2002 13:00:11  
Here are things to consider:

How big is your rear tire? That big a tractor might more than fill a 14" furrow - probably not tho.

Rocks - make sure your trip bottoms are working, not rusted up. If your plow does not have any rock protection (trip bottom, spring hitch, whatever) then you will bust something at faster speeds - too much power & traction.

Speed - if you plow too fast, esp in dry ground, the metal will wear down faster. Yea, sounds odd, but those plow bottoms actually do get warm, and if you really speed up can be an issue. Faster means more abrasion, wears down the lays & bottoms quicker.

Wasted fuel & time. Picking a higher gear & less throttle will help, but some diesels run better at full rpm's, so a tuff call.

You would be better with a 3-16, but what you have should work. Life is a compromise.

--->Paul

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Chuck

09-09-2002 15:54:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan is the Tractor to Big for a 2 bottom plow?, 09-09-2002 13:00:11  
you have way more HP than you need for a 2 bottom plow. However your 2 bottom is probably paid for.
learn to plow first. like some of the other posts have said. Get a copy of JD's tractor maintance book printed t from th 20's to 50's. it tell how to set up your plow and how to lay off you lands. great reference.



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Jay

09-09-2002 15:24:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan is the Tractor to Big for a 2 bottom plow?, 09-09-2002 13:00:11  
I have a 45 HP tractor and got a lot of ribbing from my friends when I was only using a 2 bottom plow, then an oldtimer that I met at the feed store asked me, can you drink a cup of coffee while your plowing with the two bottom? I said yes, why. He responded with, then why get a three bottom and have to fight with the tractor and plow. He has since passed away, but I have always remembered that and still use the two bottom today. I don't see what the problem could be with having extra HP. I'm sure it will do fine, you'll just have an easier time. I bet you can pull a three when you get the extra $$$ and still drink a cup of coffee with 65HP.

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JMS/MN

09-09-2002 15:18:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Question in reply to Allan is the Tractor to Big for a 2 bottom plow?, 09-09-2002 13:00:11  
Your tractor can't be too big for the plow- just set it up right so that it trails properly behind it (regarding tractor wheel in furrow, front bottom cutting properly). Don't overspeed just because the tractor can pull it that fast. Run at an appropriate speed for the plow, it's age and condition. Older plows work fine and were made for tractors that ran 2 1/2 to 4 mph. Like Richard said- adjust the plow to run level at whatever depth you choose to plow at. Same standard to adhere to, no matter how new or old the plow, or how much power is in front.

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