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Frank

09-17-2002 17:13:10




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I have an OLD MF 4-bar side rake. It is currently on steel, but I have the original tires and rims. The problem is that these (4 x 48 or thereabout) tubes won't hold air and if they did the tires would blow out. What about filling the tire with something like "Greatstuff" expanding foam? The wheels do not carry very much weight, but I can see a problem getting the tire loaded uniformly.
Or should I just bite the wallet and send the tires in to be commercially foamed? This would probably cost well in excess of the rake's value

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Hal/WA

09-18-2002 19:32:57




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to Frank, 09-17-2002 17:13:10  
Interesting problem... I had the front tires on my Ford 641D commercially filled and have thought that doing that was the best single thing I have done to that tractor. My problem was long thorns had penetrated the tire casings and would keep working their way through puncturing the tubes, giving me constant flat tire problems. The tires themselves were in great shape, but it seemed impossible to find all the thorns. I was about to throw the tires away when my tire man came up with the idea of having them foamed. I have had absolutely no trouble with them since then. It cost over $100, but it was worth twice that to me. I was really aggravated at those tires!

I would talk to someone who actually has experience foaming tires. It could be that your old, possibly rotten tires are not good candidates for the procedure and it would be a waste of money. On the other hand, it could be that having them foamed would allow you to use the rubber tires for a long time. I am assuming that you are planning to use the machine, not just display it.

Maybe there are new tires available somewhere. I would check that out. The described size does seem a bit oddball though.

I wonder how well the canned foam would work. My experience with that stuff is that it becomes quite rigid and takes a while to dry or cure. The foam in my tractor tires gives somewhat, although not nearly as much as a tire filled with air. And I think the tire foam uses some kind of catalyst or hardener to cure inside the tube and away from air contact. Another problem I would be concerned with is knowing how much the canned foam would expand inside the not-too-good tires. You might get a blow out, or something that looks like a snake after a good meal.

If you decide to try using the canned foam, one of the secrets of foaming tires is that you have to drill an escape hole for the air in the tube, prefferably opposite the valve stem. This allows the foam to go completely around the tube. They put sheet metal screws in the holes in my tires to act as plugs.

I would have several cans of the foam ready to go if I was going to try foaming tires. You have to get it done fast, as you won't get a second chance, at least through the valve stem. Another thought that has occurred to me is that maybe you could do the filling through several drilled holes to get even application of the foam and a little less chance of excess expansion in one spot. Maybe I would experiment on an old junk bike tire to see how well it would work on that. It is an interesting idea.

Good luck! Let us know how it works.

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JIMVA

09-17-2002 20:56:38




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to Frank, 09-17-2002 17:13:10  
I am not sure what your asking, But i think so, u are asking whether or not to replace the tube in the tire with foam? if it was me i would just take the tires and have new tubes put in them, instead of messing with foam, or digging into the wallet for the professional foam, a new tube might cost around 15 dollars if that, (its been awhile since i bought one) but thats what i would to, just replace the tube and let it go. if this is not even to close to what u are looking for in a answer let us know, exactly whats wrong and we will give u the best possible answer

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Frank

09-18-2002 05:08:40




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 Re: Re: Foam filled tires in reply to JIMVA, 09-17-2002 20:56:38  
Yes, foam-filled (instead of air) is what I am after.
I do not think that either the tire (literally 4" wide and 48" high) or its tube is available anymore. Also, inflating a tube with these weak sidewalls would probably result in a blow out. I was hoping that these weak old tire carcases could be used as forms to hold the foam. The foam would actually supply the support. I can lift a wheel, so there is not that much weight on them.

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Bob Collins

09-18-2002 18:46:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Foam filled tires in reply to Frank, 09-18-2002 05:08:40  
Frank, Why not use it as is on the steel wheels and try to get tires/tubes when you find a source? If you need to transport it on a road, I understand why you want rubber. Consider the difficulty you will have if you need to remove the foam filled tire from the rim. Any possibility of filling the tube and after it has cured, putting in inside the tire which has been cut at some point (like a lock washer) then gluing the assembly together onto the wheel? Or how about covering the steel wheel "tire" with rubber tread strips. Feel free to laugh at any suggestion, maybe something will help. Bob

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Frank

09-19-2002 12:41:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Foam filled tires in reply to Bob Collins, 09-18-2002 18:46:07  
I have used it on steel for about 6 years and it worked OK. However, one of the wheels got bent this year. (I could lie and say one of the kids did it.) I have sent the original tires in to be foamed; exact cost and whether the tires are strong enough to hold up during filling remains to be seen.



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Jerry S

09-19-2002 14:25:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Foam filled tires in reply to Frank, 09-19-2002 12:41:12  
My grandfather has a rake with the same problem. Great rake, crap tires. Found some replacements available from a restoration supply place. Cost was very high about $100 per tire. The place he found them escapes me now but might have been Miller tire or one of the advertisers I have seen in the Hemmings motor news.



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