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Leroy

10-02-2002 18:01:47

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Just this evening reading the newspaper saw that about ten mile from home a man was using his tractor with front loader to move some dirt to level along a ditch bank to smooth out for easier mowing, picture shows it to be a WD Allis, narrow front, and the ditch was only about a foot deep with about 6" of water in, verry shallow, was pined facedown under tractor in the water, was trying to hold his head above the water when his brother found him about a half hour later, hoping to get home after a day in the hospital, verry luckey. New Knoxville, Ohio

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Jim in michigan

10-04-2002 08:51:56

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Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Leroy, 10-02-2002 18:01:47

All the EMT's and Fire personel should take a look at this web sight,,give it to your chiefs or Operations managers....www.farmedic.com its a good program and if I remember right they only charge something like 100 a person for the whole course and for the EMT's..they give CEU's for taking the class,,,,,Jim

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John S-B

10-05-2002 10:41:54

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Jim in michigan, 10-04-2002 08:51:56

That's a great site! I'm a firefighter/EMT-P in a big city and a volunteer for the rural department in the township where I live. I'd love to take this course, not just for the the rural department I'm on but also my career job in the city.
Think about it. We have dozens of tractors mowing roadways, large grain elevators, tractors pulling discs at construction sites and here in Columbus Oh., OSU has two large research farms well in the city limits. Not to mention 1,000's of bobcats.

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DaveK(IN)

10-04-2002 20:27:07

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Jim in michigan, 10-04-2002 08:51:56

Jim- Just visited the farmedic website. Looks like a good resource. I will forward it to our training officer. Thanks for the tip. I'd rather train than have to go do it, but it's good to feel prepared.

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10-04-2002 18:42:46

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Jim in michigan, 10-04-2002 08:51:56

It is a great class for the rural VFD/EMS persons, but it is most usefull is the people who take the class have an understanding of what a machine is and how it works. I have seen a gung-ho paramedic, who happens to have lived in town all his life, ask why the bottom door on a silo/grain bin can't be used for a silo rescue.

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Larry M in S.C,

10-04-2002 09:09:20

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Jim in michigan, 10-04-2002 08:51:56

We use this course in South Carolina! Great learning experience! I agree it should be taught to all rural emergency responders!

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IMJMAC

10-03-2002 19:59:41

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Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Leroy, 10-02-2002 18:01:47

JUST FINISHED READING THE ROLLOVER POSTS. THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. I TOO AM A NEW TO THE COUNTRY,BUT HAVE BEEN TRIED TO USE COMMON SENSE AND ALOT OF CAUTION ON MY TRACTOR. THE DRAW BAR(OR NON USE)OF IS SOMETHING I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF.THANKS ALOT GUYS.

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Punchie

10-04-2002 09:42:33

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to IMJMAC, 10-03-2002 19:59:41

HI Forum

Sorry to hear around all of the people getting hurt . First; Thanks to the people who are in the Fire and EMS etc. , I was there for about 9 years. Sound like you guys have a good sence for learning good for you , there are a lot of Dept. that just don't teach to learn how to learn. A club if you will, place to go.

Just a couple of notes:

Garden tractor are good for rolling to .

Double your speed and you are 4 times the chances of a turn over ( to the side ).

If your pulling watch the clutch, if you are going up hill on a hard pull and get stuck. First thing you wish to do is push in on the clutch, better let her spin first ( make a hole) she can flip that way to.

All ways have good brakes, I can not tell you how many time, I would have got hurt or worse if I would not have good brakes On my tractors, THOSE INCHES CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENTS.

Tire pressure too low or too high.

Hill sides get the hole filled in. When working on hillsides watch the upper tire more than the lower, hit a hill ( ants ,ground hogs & etc.) and over you go. Not that a low spot will do the same but is normaly just about the time she start to go over your through the hole and your back to normal grade. After 20 years of running WD's layed one over last year, I was lucky so was the tractor. I got off right before, but all most got it when she was still running on her side. Moving dirt and was too tried, but only going to do just a little more. That little more was all most the end. Came off of one dirt pile and up on a other and over see went.

God Bless All !!

Have a Good One!!

Teddy ( Punchie )

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Jim in michigan

10-03-2002 06:23:03

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Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Leroy, 10-02-2002 18:01:47

Dave K and Richard,,I am also a EMT/Firefighter,,,,Have either of you heard of farmmedic? They come in and teach the proper way to crib up tractors and remove patients from under them and from PTO accidents also teach silo rescue and such,,,I have the websight I think if you want it just e mail,,nice to talk to some fellow EMS people,,,,,Jim

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Greg Coleman

11-14-2002 21:15:27

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Jim in michigan, 10-03-2002 06:23:03

Cool site, email with futher, I am a farmmedic provider.

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Richard

10-03-2002 04:37:06

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Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Leroy, 10-02-2002 18:01:47

I have worked for this Fire District for 25 years now and we have 115 square miles of rural area. Tractor rollovers were more common when I first started , I believe cause more people were using narrow front tractors. Most were fatal and near pond dams. Most tractors are row crop, or utility wide fronts, and the suburbanites that have moved into our area on their 5-10 acre plots who have no to little previous tractor experience can thank their lucky stars that tractors are safer now.

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Dave K(IN)

10-02-2002 18:08:42

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Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Leroy, 10-02-2002 18:01:47

We have had two rollover deaths here in the past month. I am an EMT and responded on one where he had hitched above the drawbar to haul out a log too big for the tractor. He raised his three point while pulling. I'll bet he never even realized what happened. Be careful out there.

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tim[in]

10-04-2002 00:36:06

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Dave K(IN), 10-02-2002 18:08:42

my landlord where i got my equipment stored knew the guy with the log. i think they start thinking when they lose traction how the hydraulic systems works when pplowing and try to do the same thing. i think what happens is the hitch lifts up too much throwing them off balance so they are unable to stop the hitch and it goes over. glad the emts are finally taking farming seriously. some farm groups tried to educate the fire depts on farm safety, but they acted more like it was a social gathering back then. my nephew turned my wd over a year ago horsing around. tractors are not bulldozers. they will do the same work but not on so much an angle. i'm going to remember this when i build my pond in owen county. sometime it is amazing any of us are a live. at least i am safe driving my gasoline tanker!

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DaveK(IN)

10-04-2002 12:26:29

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Re: Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to tim[in], 10-04-2002 00:36:06

The fire departments respond after the fact. The operators must by made more aware and remember that farming and its' equipment is very dangerous. If you are digging a pond in Owen County (or anywhere else) consider installing a dry hydrant that your dept. can draft out of. IT can save your property and costs very little when you are building your pond. Good luck with it.

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DaveK(IN)

10-04-2002 12:21:22

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Re: Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to tim[in], 10-04-2002 00:36:06

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Kelly C

10-03-2002 17:03:10

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Dave K(IN), 10-02-2002 18:08:42

Wow! I pulled a stump just yesterday with my Farmall H.
I was very very carefull to hook the chain only to the draw bar. Looking at how the draw bar is hooked up on a H it would seem that when pulling from the draw bar you actually pull the front of the tractor down.
Hooking any were else it looks like you would be pulling the front up on a pivot.
I can understand how some might think hooking up high on the tractor would help dig the rear wheels in more. I guess it does, but in a real bad way.
be carefull out there guys.
Kelly

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Big Jim

10-03-2002 11:02:12

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Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Dave K(IN), 10-02-2002 18:08:42

I have seen the same thing happen. About 10 years ago a neighbor with very little tractor experience was trying to pull out a stuck pickup truck. He hooked the tractor up above the drawbar, tried to pull out the truck, but the tractor flipped over backwards. The only thing that saved him was the fact that he had hooked up short and the front of the tractor ended up resting on the hood of truck in an upside down position.
It was a small ford tractor and he called me over to use my tractor and loader to right his tractor.

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gene

10-03-2002 19:08:31

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Re: Re: Re: Anouther tractor rollover in reply to Big Jim, 10-03-2002 11:02:12

my brother did the same thing in may 4th 1996. he was not so lucky. we burried him 3 days later. hooking above the drawbar trying to pull his pickup out. he knew better, he was the one always saying about doin things safely
johndeeregene

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