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Bailing hay without live pto

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mark ct

10-07-2002 20:57:27

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have any of you bailed hay with a pto baler and a tractor that didnt have live pto. i was given a new holland 268 baler that i plan to run with our ford jubilee or our 3400 ford industrial, neither of which have live pto. what are you supposed to do when the bailer starts to bog down and what not, you cant stop the tractor and let the bailer run cause the pto stops too. i know many people have done it before i was just wondering if anyone had any helpfull tips( other than buy another tractor)

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Hugh MacKay

10-20-2002 10:29:38

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

I had one square baler, a New Holland Super 69 with thrower. Had that baler for close to 18 years. I had that baler hitched to all 560D, 656D, 300, 504, SM, all but the SM had live take off. The part I found interesting about that baler was you could run it with Farmall SA or 130. Had to be careful.

The one my brother and I found interesting was neighbours 80 year old father with Super C and later 230 on NH 68 baler. From across the line fence it looked like he put the SC or 230 in 3rd gear and went until she stalled. You would see the old man digging and digging hay out of the baler by hand, and away he would go again 3rd gear. I remember being their yard one day old man was getting ready for the day, greasing etc. Told his son knife needed sharpening. Son said,"If you wern't so GD greedy you would put it in 2nd gear." That didn't change a thing, but you know they milked 60 holsteins, probably 50 replacement heifers and put in all the winter feed with those two tractors. They probably baled 20,000+ bales per year.

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RayP(MI)

10-11-2002 18:50:46

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

Baled up about 700 bales this summer with a '49 JD B, and a 268 - pulling a hay wagon on the back on hilly land. No problems. Just needed to start up a few feet before picking up windrow, so everything was up to speed. Easy on the clutch!

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Doug B

10-08-2002 08:34:40

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

I've baled all my life without a live clutch..
When you get close to the windrow, speed it up to maintain 540. Having a good govenor is essental. Be in the right gear...knowing the hay condition helps, especially if you was the one that raked the hay. If you wasn't, be watching ahead,you may have to give it a little more throttle if you see a big windrow or a pile.
I currently bale with my 14T and my 1940 JD A, no live PTO there, if I need to I just kick it outta gear quickly and let the A do the work. Experiance goes a long ways here!

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Doug B

10-08-2002 08:33:05

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

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Errin OH

10-08-2002 06:34:22

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

Pretty much as Jim said "quick on the clutch" but would add that ORC is a must. That way you "can" stop and let it catch up. Buy a good one, its hard on them. Also find out the operating speed of the bailer (plunger strokes) and do the math. In my case, 53 Ford & Ford mod 250 baler, my engine rpms is set to roughly 1000. Any faster and the ground speed is to fast and the baler doesn't tie properly. I am not sure about the 268, but the older 66 & 68 I think equated to 1100 rpms on the tractor. You can go to the N-Board and do a search on "baling hay" and get some serious edumacation....

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Jeff

10-08-2002 16:36:30

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Re: Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to Errin OH, 10-08-2002 06:34:22

A NH 268 has as over running clutch

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paul

10-08-2002 13:42:16

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Re: Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to Errin OH, 10-08-2002 06:34:22

Many NH balers have the OCR built into them at the flywheel. You are right tho, if none is there, you need one!

--->Paul

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Tom A

10-08-2002 03:39:06

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

In addition to what Jim said, I usually get a "running start" with the baler a few feet before the windrow starts, so it gets up to speed before it starts to feed any hay. And never stop the baler with hay in the feeder, always let it "wind down" and plunge the last bit of hay at the end of a windrow or else starting again on the next row will be difficult or impossible (then you have to get off the tractor and clear the hay out of the plunger/cutter). With a little practice, it isn't too bad, though.

Tom A

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JMS/MN

10-08-2002 00:50:53

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

You do just what Jim-UT says. When that baler was built in the 60s, the vast majority of working tractors in this country did not have live or independent pto, so you had to learn to be quick with the clutch and shift lever to keep as many rpms working for you as you could. After working through the slug, try backing up a few feet before engaging the pto and forward gear, giving the baler time to reach operating rpm before hitting the windrow.

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Jim.UT

10-07-2002 21:50:18

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Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to mark ct, 10-07-2002 20:57:27

I bale hay with a MF 124 pto baler and a Ford 850 (no live pto). Yes it would be nicer with an 860 with live pto, but you make do with what you have. I don't clog the baler too often. I've learned to make sure my windrows are not too big and that they are fairly uniform in size. If I do start to run into a big wad of hay, I've learned to quickly slip the trans to neutral and let the clutch back out so it can sit and chew on it for a little while before continuing. Then I've learned to slip it back into first gear just before the baler winds down to a stop. I always bale in first gear also. It can be done. May take some practice.

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Eric Rylander

10-18-2002 12:54:01

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Re: Re: bailing hay without live pto in reply to Jim.UT, 10-07-2002 21:50:18

It's been years, but I baled with a 303 Allis behind both a Minnie-Mo R and a '41 B JD, I also ran a '47 B with a 24T John Deere baler for another guy, you just have to be quick at times to slip it into nuetral and let the clutch out to clear a slug. When we first got the Allis baler it didn't tie well and another farmer who had an Allis baler came over, told me to get out of first and into third gear, and open the MM wide open! The problem was that Allis liked to be full or it missed bales. He was right.
I noticed in central MN where I was from farmers were either IH or JD guys, and you were either a New Holland baler man or a John Deere man, even the IH guys didn't use IH balers. OUr Allis was one of only 3 I ever saw in my life.

Eric

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