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Computer virus and Redtractorman

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Tom A

11-16-2002 07:09:47




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Warning to all on the board:

I've gotten several emails from somebody calling themselves "Redtractorman" over the past few months. Each time there's been an attachment, and each time the attachment has contained a computer virus.

If you get email from this person, just delete it...better safe than sorry.

If you *are* this person, be aware that I just delete your emails now. If it is an accident, then get a virus scanner and clean your machine.

Tom A

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Stan

11-18-2002 06:34:11




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 Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 07:09:47  
It is more than likely that the email is coming from someone who has gotten a virus and has redtractorman in their address book. The newer viruses will go into an address book and get addessses and then send out emails using that address. So the virus could be coming from someone other than redtractorman. We all need to keep our virus scanners updated!!! It is so important.



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Tom A

11-17-2002 03:40:33




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 Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 07:09:47  
Just to clarify that there is "returned mail" and "mail that claims to be returned."

A lot of advertisers are using "mail that claims to be returned" so that you'll open it and read their spam. This doesn't indicate a virus, it is just spam based on a lie to trick you.

"Returned mail," if in fact the original came from your email account and you did *not* send it, does indicate that either you've got a virus or somebody is using your account.

You can tell the difference if you read thru the message headers.

Tom

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Jack

11-18-2002 17:01:34




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 Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-17-2002 03:40:33  
Maybe this link will shed some more light on the topic. Link



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paul

11-17-2002 19:47:13




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 Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-17-2002 03:40:33  
That can be faked by the more sophisticated visuses out there.

I get 3-6 viruses a day. None of them actually come from the address they pretend to come from. So many of them come to me 'from' a Hotmail or other screened account, which is not possible, as Hotmail etc. filter out the viruses & do not send them. You best be careful who you blame for a virus. The new viruses steal email addresses from any temp folder in your computer or any email list, and afix phoney 'from' lines from that list, while sending out the viruses to the same list of people. That will make it look like the virus is coming from someone you know...

If you are far more technical than I, perhaps you are tracking things down at a much deeper level & then 'never mind' me, but is doesn't seem so?

We all need virus protection. Everybody. And updated weekly. It is a must.

--->Paul

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Tom A -- my last response

11-18-2002 02:47:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to paul, 11-17-2002 19:47:13  
Paul:

Was going to just let this die as I thought all that could be said had been.

But your sentence: "...best be careful who you blame..." causes me to answer.

Please read my original post carefully, as the only person I 'blamed' was somebody 'calling themselves Redtractorman.' And, yes, I do in fact read headers deeply, as I tend toward geekishness, and I am convinced the emails in question came from that account; it would be very difficult (although not impossible) to fake that.

I'm done on this...not another word from me.
Hope everyone has a great week.

Tom

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paul

11-18-2002 14:17:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A -- my last response, 11-18-2002 02:47:30  
I tend to be a geek too. Sometimes we have a hard time communicating with people in a friendly manner.

Viruses are a big deal. If you know what you are talking about, help us all out by explaining this fruther. Most of the new viruses are pretty good at faking out the 'from' line, just as most spammers these days do the same. You can probably track down the ISP or such that the message originated from, but to creadably track down the actual computer it came from is, as I understand it, pretty darn difficult.

If you're not familiar with the new computer computer viruses, they are _really_ good at hiding their source these days.

Either way, thanks for the comments, and raising the topic here. We all need to be more aware of the dangers computer viruses present. A relative ended up buying a new computer - the old one was infected by 100's of them. But, she had a virus program, it always said it was scanning!!!! It was 16 months old, of course... While her old computer could be reformatted, she did not like reinstalling everything, a few software upgrades needed, and just moved on to a new one.

I'd hope you not withdraw from people, but continue to communicate with the rest of the world. Your first messages have been a little short, so it's hard to tell if you are aware of the subject. Great if you are.

--->Paul

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Dave

11-16-2002 19:42:55




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 Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 07:09:47  
I'm using Juno and have installed the full boat Norton systems package. I've been reading this board and Unoffically allis all year. Not a twig of a virus. Either I'm awful lucky or have a teflon setup.



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Redtractorman

11-16-2002 08:04:56




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 Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 07:09:47  
I did not leave my email .These viruses are sent from someone without there knowledge.The virus picks an email address out of there address book and sends it so it looks like it comes from the addressee but doesn't.I have email scan on incoming and outcoming email on my machine.Have recieved virus from many off this board over the past 2 or 3 years,my email comes in telling me that I recieved email from a certain address and that it has been cleaned.I have many people I correspond from on an everyday basis and if I had a virus i would know right away.I have not ever sent an email to you,have no idea who you are.

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Hugh MacKay

11-16-2002 09:32:42




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 Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Redtractorman, 11-16-2002 08:04:56  
I am with you on that redtractorman, I am forever getting returned mail because it was not compatable in some way or it contained a virus. In every case these are e-mails I have never sent in the first place.

I have also had a few people that I know send me those damn chain letters which I never respond to, all but one have quit sending them. He is a good old sole, I have given him every hint in the book, still no luck. I never give out anyones e-mail and don't apreciate others doing the same.

I also never use the address book on my computer. Again I wish others would do the same.

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Tom A

11-16-2002 11:28:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-16-2002 09:32:42  
If y'all are getting lots of returned mail that you honestly never sent, then somebody has probably stolen or guessed your password and is using your account without your knowledge, or else your machine is virus infected and sending messages by itself.

To stop all that, you should change your password immediately and probably should notify your ISP in case somebody has used your account for anything illegal.

The most secure password is one that mixes letters and numbers and doesn't spell any real word. Even so, hackers have software that can 'read' your passwords, so you should change it periodically.

Good luck,
Tom

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Jim WI

11-18-2002 11:13:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
There's viruses that are adept at faking the headers so that it looks like mail from someone else.

(My pastor got REAL excited about the virus that someone else had that was sending email with his return address with a subject of 'sexy asian lasses pics' -- it took about an hour to calm him down.)



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Jim WI

11-18-2002 11:10:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
There's viruses that are adept at faking the headers so that it looks like mail from someone else.

(My pastor got REAL excited about the virus that someone else had that was sending email with his return address with a subject of 'sexy asian lasses pics' -- it took about an hour to calm him down.)



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David Ransom

11-16-2002 22:57:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
I get lots of 'returned' e-mail I never sent. It is spam for a p0rn site. According to the IP number, the actual e-mail provider is not mine, but instead one in Poland. I contacted the FBI (no interest, form letter reply), the attorney general (no reply, probably too busy running for governor [he lost]), the state police (if I remember right they said there was nothing they could do), a group called Morality in Media, who were supposedly going to file charges against any p0rn spammer they could, Silweb (the Polish owner of the IP number, who in turn told me to contact an [invalid] e-mail address or go to a web site that had links to valid e-mail addresses). I don't think I've gotten any lately, so something might have worked. That, or the spammer now only spams valid addresses so I don't get failure notices. I also sent replies to my e-mail provider, and the ones that were 'bouncing back' the spam, telling them I hadn't sent it.

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David Ransom

11-16-2002 22:52:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
I get lots of 'returned' e-mail I never sent. It is spam for a p0rn site. According to the IP number, the actual e-mail provider is not mine, but instead one in Poland. I contacted the FBI (no interest, form letter reply), the attorney general (no reply, probably too busy running for governor [he lost]), the state police (if I remember right they said there was nothing they could do), a group called Morality in Media, who were supposedly going to file charges against any p0rn spammer they could, Silweb (the Polish owner of the IP number, who in turn told me to contact an [invalid] e-mail address or go to a web site that had links to valid e-mail addresses). I don't think I've gotten any lately, so something might have worked. That, or the spammer now only spams valid addresses so I don't get failure notices. I also sent replies to my e-mail provider, and the ones that were 'bouncing back' the spam, telling them I hadn't sent it.

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David Ransom - Whoops

11-16-2002 23:00:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to David Ransom, 11-16-2002 22:52:02  
I just got another failure notice.



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Hal

11-16-2002 20:34:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
If he is getting returned mail it doesn't necessarily mean that someone has stolen his password. All it probably means is that someone he has received or sent legitimate email from/to has (or at one time had) a virus on their machine, and they also have his email address in their address book. The virus plucks his name from the address book on the infected machine and uses it as the "sender" and "reply to" for sending malicious emails. Changing paswords and using all the virus detection software in the world won't help if someone you have legitimate correspondence with has a virus on THEIR machine.

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Kelly C

11-16-2002 15:53:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
There are lot and lots of these things going around right now. I get about 2 a day now.
Worms are a nasty one that likes to get to your email. they hide them selfs as a invisable sig file on every email you send.
I have no idea what these lame no lifers get out of it. these were most likely the same guys who toilet papper your house.



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Harold Hubbard

11-17-2002 05:36:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Kelly C, 11-16-2002 15:53:03  
I'd rather have them toilet paper my house. There's a chance to catch them,I can clean it up, and the toilet paper won't mysteriously re-appear on the house of somebody I don't know in Utah, with my signature on it.



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Hugh MacKay

11-16-2002 14:59:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
Thanks Tom, I wouldn't say I get a lot of this returned mail, it is just regular couple a week, and the e-mails are always to some address I have never heard of. I am not getting any complaints from people I regularly e-mail, unless they are just too polite. No that is not it I mail to people regularly who would squawk like H.

I have Norton anti-virus. My wife and my daughter look after that, I don't know much about it. They think I am too reckless in my use of computer. I always tell them the person who never makes a mistake, never does much.

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Hugh MacKay

11-16-2002 14:57:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Tom A, 11-16-2002 11:28:12  
Thanks Tom, I would say I get a lot of this returned mail, it is just regular couple a week, and the e-mails are always to some address I have never heard of. I am not getting any complaints from people I regularly e-mail, unless they are just too polite. No that is not it I mail to people regularly who would squawk like H.

I have Norton anti-virus. My wife and my daughter look after that, I don't know much about it. They think I am too reckless in my use of computer. I always tell them the person who never makes a mistake, never does much.

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Kelly C

11-16-2002 15:59:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-16-2002 14:57:29  
No big deal Hugh. Every one at one time or another is going to get a virus. Almost all are not dangerous, just a pain in the ass.
I often wonder if its not the guys writing the anti virus software that write the viruses.
Think about that.



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willyz

11-17-2002 04:38:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Computer virus and Redtractorman in reply to Kelly C, 11-16-2002 15:59:10  
I'm kinda with you on that thought. When I was offered a spam-catcher and refused, all of a sudden I was receiving about 10 times the spam I received before. Now I receive about 5 viruses a day as attachments. I delete all of them without opening them. If you want to check them out without actually opening them, right click on them and go to properties then go to message source. Scroll down and if there is a text message you can read it. Most of the time you will see that someone is trying to send you an exe. or bat. or some other file that probable contains a virus. Most of the text messages I see in these are written in very poor English, as if the person is translating from another language. Probably sending these messages from some cave in Pakistan or Afganistan trying to cause mischief.

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