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Best round haybaler

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twobanger

11-30-2002 06:08:37




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my cousin told me he stopped having baler problems when he went from a belt to a chain type.if this is so why isn,t the chain type more accepted than it is.do they still make them?is there a brand that is more dependable?would it be advisable for me to buy a chain type to do my work plus some custom work.would my 630 have what it takes to run one or would the 730D be a better choice?i have acces to a 820D if that were to be required.

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Haymaker5211

10-01-2003 22:16:26




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
I think you guys need to pay a little more attention to the new technology around today with chain balers. I do alot of custom hay work, and make round bales with my 1999 Krone KR-260. This is a chain and slat baler that can run with the big dogs. I can make bales so tight that they will bust the twine off of them!!!! These bales will also stand tall all winter long with minimal spoilage and bale sag. I will admit that many of the older New Holland chain balers were definitely GARBAGE, I used to run one myself. However manufacturers such as Krone and M&W have come along way in making competitive chain balers.

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Kermit in SW MO

12-02-2002 18:32:54




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
I may be the odd duck in the bunch, but I still use a NH 845 chain type baler. We purchased it new and still use it. It's paid for, it still works well, and I understand the machine. Guess I'll stick with it till it wears out. If I do replace the baler I'll very likely go with a John Deere.



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john2510-3020

12-01-2002 14:46:49




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
Well since no one has commented on the 630 730 d and 820D pulling the balers I will. a chain baler is the worst route to go especially on a 2 cylinder. They are heavy and harder then heck to pull. My friend and neighbor has an 855 NH chain baler which makes a 5.5'x5.5'bale. He has it on the back of a 4240 JD(130 hp, turned up) He has a straight pipe on it and the ol 855 will make her take back to ya on a pull. I personally would stay away from them. Also if a chain or bar broke it makes a h*ll if a racket. He showed me a bar that came off when he was baleing and it had bent the bar in a "U" shape and bent the guard down on the front. He said if it hadnt been for the guard it would of went through the back glass and killed him. If I was you I would try to find a small Jd or vermeer round baler. In the JD I would look for a 375 round baler on in a vermeer 504 D-I or at the new 5400 rebels.
John

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David B

12-01-2002 14:42:00




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
NH chain balers according to them were great, but! now they make belt balers. Probably to the popularity of net wraping, I have baled a lot of bales with J D balers, fitst a 510 and now a 535, and the newer balers have a much improved moniter and controls all of the settings from the seat. I never go wrong buying J D equipment, a much stronger dealer network and parts availibility. Other company dealers go out of business and no one willing to reopen the dealership. Second choice would be Vermeer

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paul

12-01-2002 10:04:56




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
Pretty much what the others have said. Locally NH are very popular, a few other colors here & there, for brand new the Case machines have picked up sales, and Gehl is popular with a couple of good dealers.

If getting an older one, you want open throat, and hydraulic tensioning is better than spring tentioning. A tight bae will stay fresh outside, while a loose one will rot. Tighter is better.

The chain balers will handle a lot different conditions better, but make looser bales & beat the leaves off alfalfa. They don't give too many breakdowns, but when a bar or chain break it just rips the heck out of a lot of parts on the machine.

There are also the balers with round drums, soft-core balers. No one can tell me much about them, I understand they make looser bales, not sure how they operate?

--->Paul

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Russ

12-01-2002 08:23:12




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
have used both chain and belt rollers. the NH round baler, two of them-one being manual tie and the other electric tie, and then went to a 605F vermeer with hydraulic tie. I am much more satisfied with the belt open throat design, but would like to get newer one. The chains have many more parts to cause troubles. Whereas as with belts, only bearing and belts for trouble areas, and much tighter more uniform rolls or hay. Have had some difficulty with some longer grass hay, if too wet or green wrapping main roller.

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Russ

12-01-2002 08:22:36




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
have used both chain and belt rollers. the NH round baler, two of them-one being manual tie and the other electric tie, and then went to a 605F vermeer with hydraulic tie. I am much more satisfied with the belt open throat design, but would like to get newer one. The chains have many more parts to cause troubles. Whereas as with belts, only bearing and belts for trouble areas, and much tighter more uniform rolls or hay. Have had some difficulty with some longer grass hay, if too wet or green wrapping main roller.

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kydavid

11-30-2002 19:09:05




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
Back when round balers first became popular my dad bought the firs one in the county, an 846 NH chain baler. We wore it out (about 40,000 rolls) and bought an 847 NH chain baler and wore it out (about the same). He bought a NH 650 belt baler in '91 and I bought a NH 851 chain baler (put about 10,000 through it), liked his 650 so much better I bought one in '01 and sold my 650.

Disadvantages of chains: lots of leaf loss in alfalfa, bales are not as tight as most belt balers but windrow size and ground speed (small and slow) covers a multitude of sins. Not many breakdowns but they are catostrophic.
Advantages of chains: will bale at all moisture conditions, wet or dry. I miss the chain baler in very dry, slick, stemmy grasses. Open throat, if he was using a closed throat belt baler I would expect he has seen his problems go away.

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Green Envy

11-30-2002 15:57:08




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
The NH chain balers around here weren't worth their weight scrap iron value. Those balers made the worst bales of any round baler out here. Even JD the 510 and 410 did a better job. They drove more than one farmer to the bar stool. Other than that, I agree with everything JD70Jim said.



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Don-WI

11-30-2002 15:55:26




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
I dont really like chain balers. Once had a guy come do some baling for us with a new holland chain baler, and that thing made a mess with our fine 3rd crop alfalfa. Where he dropped the bale there was a huge pile of chaff that I ended up running through the chopper, and the over all quality of the bale was very poor. Then he closed the door on something and he broke it, only made 2 complete bales and 2 half bales that he couldn't get going very well and he just dropped them. My uncle has a gehl round baler, I forget the # but i think it's a 1600. Makes good bales, but he had to replace all the bearings in the rollers this year, as well as have 7 of the rollers welded up and machined back down on the ends because some of them were very bad. Should be a fine baler for a while now anyways.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Don

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JD70Jim

11-30-2002 06:24:32




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 Re: best round haybaler in reply to twobanger, 11-30-2002 06:08:37  
As far as I know, there are no manufacturers today still making a chain baler. The last chain balers I am aware of were New Holland. That should tell you something about what manufacturers currantly "think" about the chains.

As for which baler is Best? The older balers (1980-88) which appear to have the highest resale and hence best reputation are John Deere and Vermeer around here where I am.

For "newer" balers (say 1988-95) the favored brands are still John Deere and Vermeer but you can occasionally find Hesstons and New Hollands as well.

For "NEW" balers, (1995-2003), buy what you like, they all will work faily well at this point, It is a more or less perfected product now, and most balers are very much like most other balers, and so are the bales they produce.

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moonlite

12-01-2002 03:30:38




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 Re: Re: best round haybaler in reply to JD70Jim, 11-30-2002 06:24:32  
Most round baler problems are operator problems. Seems that every baler has its own peculiar nature which seems to change from field to field. Still learning but seem to have fewer problems every year.



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jake

12-02-2002 22:18:00




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 Re: Re: Re: best round haybaler in reply to moonlite, 12-01-2002 03:30:38  
i started out with a vermeer 605f then traded for a case ih 8460 last year went back to a vermeer 605f they are a simple machine easy to work on cheap and run with little trouble in my opinion they are the best make a good bale and easy to operate i use a ih 806 diesel for power



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moonlite

12-01-2002 03:28:19




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 Re: Re: best round haybaler in reply to JD70Jim, 11-30-2002 06:24:32  
Most round baler problems are operator problems. Seems that every baler has its own peculiar nature which seems to change from field to field. Still learning but seem to have fewer problems every year.



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moonlite

12-01-2002 03:23:17




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 Re: Re: best round haybaler in reply to JD70Jim, 11-30-2002 06:24:32  
Most round baler problems are operator problems. Seems that every baler has its own peculiar nature which seems to change from field to field. Still learning but seem to have fewer problems every year.



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