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JT

01-11-2003 10:00:59




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OK here is the problem. At our local threshing show the straw stacks have been a problem for years and lately we have ben spreading it back out on the ground. This cost us money to hire a spreader this last year and it puts the light oats back out on the ground where we are already having big problems with wild oats.

One suggustion mentioned at the last board meeting was to use a wheel rake to pull a windrow away from the stack and bale it. Keep going around the stack until done. Has any one out there seen this done and does it work?????

I know some shows direct the blower straight into the baler but usually the times I have seen this done the baler only ties for about so long and then enough chaff gets into the knotters it starts to miss. Labor is a real problem for us so the idea of pitching in by hand is kinda out of the question.

I also have a old Pollard front mount wheel rake I am getting keyed up to use for this purpose. I grew up using this rake and would like to use it again.

I would appreciate any help on this.

JT

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JT

01-14-2003 23:53:40




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
Has any body seen the forage wagon idea done. We had thought about that but some thought the straw would come out in clumps and slug the baler.

I thought it would work to use a loader with a grapple after the threshing was done to load into the wagon and have the wagon even things out. Two man operation, one on the loader and one stacking bales.

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JT



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Hugh MacKay

01-18-2003 04:25:41




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 Re: Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-14-2003 23:53:40  
I have never tried this, however I think unchoped straw in a forage wagon might cause one a bit of head scratching. I really don't think there is any easy fix, using this old technology. The only good way I have seen, spreading straw for a baler is the combine.

This chore of baling the straw after your threshing day cant be that big of a chore. I remember once being offered a pile of straw, free. I went there day after the threshing with Farmall 300, NH baler with thrower and 4 wagons. I was all by myself and just worked around the pile, forking straw in, allowing baler to throw bales in wagon. When I got wagons full I let thrower, throw bales on ground in circle. I had milked 40 cows in am and was home all done baling in time for evening milking. I had aprox 600 bales on the 4- 20' wagons and 400 bales on ground.

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Dick2

01-13-2003 18:52:16




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
We forked a lot of hay out of stacks into the hand-tie wire baler, but never bothered with straw. The problem with straw piles is that chaff has a toxicity that prevents certain seeds from germanating. When a pile was thrashed, there would be a round circle for several years afterwards from the concentration of chaff. Not much would grow in those spots - but watermelons grew great in old straw pile bottoms! Therefore, it would be better to catch the straw in forage wagons or trucks and spread it over as large an area as possible.

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JT

01-12-2003 23:58:35




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
I guess should have mentioned we don't really intend to bale while the separator is running if we can avoid it.

By the time baling roles around usually after a 5:00 parade and supper the help needed to hand pitch tends to melt into the woodwork. I have helped do this myself at other shows I would sooner solve the problem with a match.

We have been waiting until after the show and a local custom baler had a crack at it. He pulled it apart and then couldn't pick it up. Waiting until after the show also seems to bring rain and then even a match won't solve it.

Thanks for all the comments and keep them coming.

JT <;>)

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JT

01-12-2003 23:55:40




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
I guess should have mentioned we don't really intend to bale while the separator is running if we can avoid it.

By the time baling roles around usually after a 5:00 parade and supper the help needed to hand pitch tends to melt into the woodwork. I have helped do this myself at other shows I would sooner solve the problem with a match.

We have been waiting until after the show and a local custom baler had a crack at it. He pulled it apart and then couldn't pick it up. Waiting until after the show also seems to bring rain and then even a match won't solve it.

Thanks for all the comments and keep them coming.

JT <;>)

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Hugh MacKay

01-12-2003 16:54:23




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
Only one way to bale straw from a stack, grab the pitch fork and fork it in. Been there and done that.



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evielboweviel

01-12-2003 14:10:41




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
where and when is your show??



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Leroy

01-12-2003 11:57:11




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
If you don't have an old baler to demostrate with then the easy way for you would be just to get a self unloading insilage wagon and turn the blower into the wagon, no more straw blowing out than would be behind the chopper in the field, if you don't want the straw to use just hook up the wagon and go to the field, put pto and wagon in gear, put tractor in gear and drive till unloaded.



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willie

01-12-2003 07:14:37




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
another thought. I'm sure someone at the show has a tractor with loader. Build 2 stacks. While blowing straw onto one stack, pull the first stack apart to make it manageable with a rake, bale it up, then switch. Have seen this done, makes for cleaner working conditions.
BTW, many years since I've heard the Pollard name. Grew up approx 2 miles from where they were invented & built. Rode school bus with Pollard kids, girl in my class.
HTH
Willie

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RWK in WI

01-12-2003 05:59:20




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
At a show a few years ago I saw the blower directed into the back of a stake truck with a mesh tarp over the top. Yes, some blew out but it caught most of it. I don't know where they took it but they had a second truck standing by to take over when the first was full. This may give you another option.



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paul

01-13-2003 21:45:49




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 Re: Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to RWK in WI, 01-12-2003 05:59:20  
Straw is $1.50 a bale or more, I'd think it would be worth it to the club to find some voliniteers to pitch it in a baler after done threshing?

Anyone does silage around the area, get a couple of forage wagons & blow the straw into them, heck you could probably dump them out into a windrow if they are front-unload wagons and bale them that way.

I've never tried a pile of straw, but if the pile of cornleaves from my sheller is any indication, a siderake will not do much to help you. I fork the cornleaves....

--->Paul

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Hayman

01-12-2003 03:01:19




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 Re: Baling from straw stacks in reply to JT, 01-11-2003 10:00:59  
Well,that threshing work is labor intensive.You have to find more help.Then you can put a couple of men on forking the strw stack into the baler.I like forking into the baler.But woudn't the straw blower cover the men in straw.And would you run the tractor and rake right thru the straw storm in order to make windrows? I saw a farmer run a thresher by hisself once.There was an extremely hard-working J.D. unstyled BR on the belt.The front end was hopping up and down.Henk was throwing sheaves on the feeder and the blower pipe went way up into the loft.Yessir all by hisself.

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