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Jimbob

02-06-2003 03:42:09




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I have a Ford 961 (live PTO & 45hp) & 5 acres of hay. I need a good used bailer that makes square hay bails. What is a good match for my tractor? Fair price range?




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Don

02-06-2003 17:09:34




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 Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 03:42:09  
I just read your responses and noted that you got endorsements for both New Holland and John Deere balers. I agree with the recommendation on NH, but based on having baled many thousands of bales with a John Deere 14T, I would advise you not to consider one of them. The knotters are a non-stop problem on a 14T. We baled with one for about 6 years, about 8000 bales per year, and it never baled as many as 100 without missing a tie. Generally it would miss about 4 or 5 per hundred, and that was with lots of attention from a John Deere mechanic. I guess others have had good luck with 14 T's, but I shudder every time I see someone talk about how good their knotters are, because that certainly isn't my experience with them. One brand I didn't see mentioned is an IH model 46 and I have had good luck with that one. It was much more trouble free than the JD.

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Ron

02-06-2003 05:48:11




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 Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 03:42:09  
The old JD "Sidewinder" type baler works real well, and takes up very little space, when stored.... Might have to find one, first, but I think you will like it....



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Leroy

02-07-2003 06:26:09




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Ron, 02-06-2003 05:48:11  
Do not get a sidewinder, no parts avaible and the small rools of wire are not avaible, I have 2 of the 116 Sidewinder balers



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OH and ---kelly C

02-06-2003 05:46:50




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 Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 03:42:09  
If you get a NH baler. There are some guys on this site that really know their stuff. ( does not include me)
A few of them work at NH dealers and have fixed these old NH's for years.
Believe me I havent found a stupid question yet that they could not answer.



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Kelly C

02-06-2003 05:38:17




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 Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 03:42:09  
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I would suggest keeping it cheap, no need to break the bank on a baler to do 5 acres.
You should be able to pick up a good New Holland 66 , 68, Supper 68, 67 any early NH would work and you can get parts.
A John Deere 14T or 24T wouls also be good but seems any thing green cost more. You can get parts for JD.

Other than NH or JD I would not pay much for a old baler of other brands.

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paul

02-06-2003 05:31:29




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 Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 03:42:09  
That has to be the most mis-spelled word on this site! :)

Here is the scoop on balers: New Holland & John Deere figured out how to make a good knotter first. So anything from a NH68 or JD 14T and newer will do a very good job for you assuming it is in good shape. Other brands of balers are cheaper, but there is a reason for that - they might work well, and they might not tie well. How lucky do you feel?

You will want a manual with it. There are a lot of adjustments, and _timing_ is an issue - should a chain break or you do work on it, you need to get the plunger & needles timed right, or the needles will break.

I have a NH 270 baler, it has baled 3-5,000 bales a year for 40 years, with very little trouble or parts. It misses tying a bale about once every 500 bales. If you get a baler that misses once every 50 bales, you are either rebaling, retying, or wasting a lot of hay & time.... You will get a lot of opinions on what works & what doesn't. Over the long haul, a NH or JD older baler gives you the best shot of getting a good one you can get parts for, will last, will work, and will be worth something if you sell it again.

You have plenty of power for any of these older balers, & you can pull a hayrack too if you have someone to stack. It's probably not worth getting into a thrower for your 5 acres - too much repair work for those few bales. Or a hay basket, altho they are neat & no moving parts.

For making a few acres of hay, the baler is the thing I'd spend a lot on. Get a good one, or making hay will be a pain. A mower is important too, but they can be fixed up a little easier. And most any old rake will handle 5 acres, skimp your $$$ on the hayrake. IMHO. There is nothing more depressing than having nice windrows of dry hay, a raincloud coming in an hour, & your baler not working....

--->Paul

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Joe

02-06-2003 05:04:33




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 Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 03:42:09  
I guess you mean baler. A bailer is one who bails water out of a boat.



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chris

02-06-2003 05:30:04




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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chris

02-06-2003 05:29:53




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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chris

02-06-2003 05:27:29




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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chris

02-06-2003 05:27:28




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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chris

02-06-2003 05:27:28




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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chris

02-06-2003 05:27:04




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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chris

02-06-2003 05:26:53




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 Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Joe, 02-06-2003 05:04:33  
a new holland 268 or 273 , a jd 14t or 24t hay packing tyin up mach



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Jimbob

02-06-2003 06:20:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to chris, 02-06-2003 05:26:53  
What is the 'going' price on the New Holland & John Deere balers mentioned above? I know absolutely nothing about equipment costs. A used New Holland 268 is on eBay right now at $500 with 3 days bidding left on it.



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Kelly C

02-06-2003 08:56:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 06:20:12  
That depends on were you are at.
In southern MN small balers go cheap. You should be able to pick up a sevicable one for $100 to $350.
In East Central MN were I am at I see JD 14t's going at auction for $400 to $600. A couple of dealers by me have NH68,s on the lot for $500.
There are a lot more hobby Farmars here and old equipment dealers driving the prices up.
Figure if you are buying a old baler from a dealer, you are paying twice what you can get it on auction.
Also if you buy now you will get the best price. If you wait till haying season, Bring your wallet.

I have also found that if you dont mind fixing them. You can get a good deal. Most Hobby Farmers use them till they break then get a different one.

I paid $200 for 2 NH 68's and am making one good one out of them.

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Jimbob

02-06-2003 09:48:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-06-2003 08:56:03  
Tnx, I am in Michigan. I find/buy one in a few weeks. Winter is time to buy!



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Robert in W. Mi.

02-07-2003 07:32:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 09:48:14  
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For the $1.50 to $2.00 per bale (or LESS) that hay is going for here in Michigan, why would anyone want to buy equipment and bale it???? Have you got any other money you want to throw away??? I'll be right over!! :>) Robert

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Kelly C

02-07-2003 14:01:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 02-07-2003 07:32:54  
What is that you have running the Baler?
I grabbed the photo to put on my web site.
I have a section called Farmalls in action.
I got it for the Farmall pulling the hay wagon.



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Robert in W. Mi.

02-07-2003 15:13:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-07-2003 14:01:33  
It's always nice if you "ask before takeing" someones pictures for your own website. Anyway, i'm pulling the baler with an MFWD Agco Allis 5660. I use to bale a lot more hay and used the thrower to fill wagons, but with hay at "give away" prices, i no longer bale much hay. What few bales i make now i drop them on the ground and use them for mulch around my veggies. Robert



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Kelly C

02-07-2003 16:30:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 02-07-2003 15:13:00  
No problem, I dont have to have it. Just so you know. When you post a photo or words to a fourm.
It is akin to dropping a cup of water in the lake.
It becomes part of the lake.
Also any one that views the photo has a copy on thier hard drives. It is not as if you are taking a photo out of your album, showing it to some one. Then asking for it back. When you post it. You are giving it to every one.
SO in the future if you dont want others to have and use your photos.. Dont post them.
I guess you could copy right them, but that would be a pain.
Incedently. I for the heck of it did a search for my name on Google. It drug up stuff I posted 5 years ago. WOW! I better be careful what I say its gona be there a wile.

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paul

02-08-2003 08:12:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-07-2003 16:30:18  
I'd have to disagree with you on that, Kelly. While most of the time that's about how it goes, pictures people take themselves are 'theirs'. If they are nice enough to share them with the rest of us, we should be nice enough to respect their property, and only _view_ those pictures as intended. I thought most people understood that. There is a difference in what is _possible_ to do, and what is _right_ to do.

By putting them on your web site, you are improving your web site at other's expense. That makes me less inclined to visit your web site any more - I thought you were taking your own pictures, or getting permission to use what appears there.

Now, I'm not stupid, of course there is a whole lot of 'help myself' activity on the web - and that's ok with me. ;) But, in a society of friends with a fun hobby, I'd think everyone would be looking out for each other & respect each other, and ask permission first. I doubt you'd ever be turned down - well, maybe now, but...

--->Paul

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Robert in W. Mi.

02-07-2003 20:10:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-07-2003 16:30:18  
Hey Kelly, Like i said it's just being "polite to ask", first, rather than "assume". BTW, i've never refused anyone who has asked first, and i'm asked quite often. I'm well aware that almost any picture can be stolen from a poster, and probably is, but does that make it right?? I guess i was brought up a little different than you was, Robert



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Kelly C

02-07-2003 21:07:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 02-07-2003 20:10:51  
Obviously you miss understand me. I can appreciate how you feel and would think many might think the same way. So I will attempt to explain in more detail. You give the impression that some thing has been taken with out your permission by your statement "It's always nice if you "ask before taking".
This is in error.

I would never and never have taken with out permission.
Following the(for the lack of a better word) S.O.P of the internet and Usenet.
When you post to forums and the like. What you post becomes public domain and your consent is implied. I.E. no one needs to ask because you already said it is ok by posting it.

I have been posting to Usenet for some years now and have a habit of doing things a certain way. It is obvious to me that some here are not used to the customs of Usenet and might take offence.
That being said I am more than willing to alter my behavior and ask permission 1st on this forum. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

Now , as for my upbringing. I think my Mother would be upset if she heard you say that.

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paul

02-08-2003 08:35:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-07-2003 21:07:21  
This is not Usenet.

There is a big difference between what people can get away with, what is legal, and what is right. You seem to be crossing the first 2 freely on this issue, and don't understand the 3rd. I totally disagree with you. Pictures are intellectual property of those who took them. I don't care what a bunch of teeny boppers loose on the internet get away with.

When you use a photo on your web site to improve it, you either took (snapped, not stole!) it yourself, bought the licencing package to use it, got a very old photo that is in the public domain, or asked permission to do so of the person who took the photo. You DO NOT assume people gave up the rights to their photos simply because they allowed you to view them!

Doing real research, you will find that is the law in the USA. Not withstanding what people get away with on Usenet.

You are clearly in the wrong on this. Enough on this from me.

--->Paul

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Kelly C

02-08-2003 13:08:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to paul, 02-08-2003 08:35:35  
Paul I am sorry.
All the photos on my web site have been sent in by people or are my own.
There are I think 3 or 4 that I obtained from surfing the web. I note that on the page they are on.
I didn't enter this debate to really make any jugements on this subject. I just wanted to stir the pot and get people thinking about it.
I think there are alot of people out there that do not really know what happens to thier stuff when they post it to web fourms. Now they know a little more.
Now onto your RE to my last post.
I found your points to be compelling and seem to be valid. The more I compare to my early possition on this subject. The more my possition is untenable.
The one place that I still am not sure is.
I went back and read some FAQ's for some of the web fourms I frequent. In the FAQ's it states that it is under stood that any post to the fourm is entering it into the public domain and by you posting to the fourm you accept this.
That was the linch pin for my possition.
To tell you the truth. I dont know what the real answer is.
All I can say is. When I post a Photo. You may do what you want to with it. I am giving it to you all.
When I see a good Photo that I think others would like to see. I will ask. Fair enough?

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paul

02-08-2003 23:45:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-08-2003 13:08:00  
You bet. :)

I do understand your one point, as well. It does at least open the can of worms! :)

--->Paul



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photo site - paul

02-09-2003 20:03:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to paul, 02-08-2003 23:45:48  
Hey, ran across this farm phot web site today! Lots to choose from! :) The whoops - stuck section should make me feel better in spring... ;)

Link



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Jimbob

02-06-2003 09:47:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Kelly C, 02-06-2003 08:56:03  
Tnx, I am in Michigan. I find/buy one in a few weeks. Winter is time to buy!



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Kelly C

02-06-2003 08:55:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Bailer for Hay in reply to Jimbob, 02-06-2003 06:20:12  
That depends on were you are at.
In southern MN small balers go cheap. You should be able to pick up a sevicable one for $100 to $350.
In East Central MN were I am at I see JD 14t's going at auction for $400 to $600. A couple of dealers by me have NH68,s on the lot for $500.
There are a lot more hobby Farmars here and old equipment dealers driving the prices up.
Figure if you are buying a old baler from a dealer, you are paying twice what you can get it on auction.
Also if you buy now you will get the best price. If you wait till haying season, Bring your wallet.

I have also found that if you dont mind fixing them. You can get a good deal. Most Hobby Farmers use them till they break then get a different one.

I paid $200 for 2 NH 68's and am making one good one out of them.

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