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Leroy

02-07-2003 15:00:19




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When plowing with a 3pt 3btm plow what is the correct way to plow out your corners where you have to raise the plow to make the turn? Do you go back and plow diagonally accross the field corner to corner when you are finished? Thanks




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tim[in]

02-08-2003 23:13:53




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 Re: plowing in reply to Leroy, 02-07-2003 15:00:19  
when plowing in lands{the long narrow strips } or on the square , one year you plow "in" and the next "out" . one neighbor plowed out the X on his squares so there was like a shallow ditch in the X you drove down through it . a little rough in a big fast moving tractor but not bad on small equipment. plus when you get those gully washers it helped keep the crops from being drowned out by standing in water.

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tim[in]

02-08-2003 23:13:42




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 Re: plowing in reply to Leroy, 02-07-2003 15:00:19  
when plowing in lands{the long narrow strips } or on the square , one year you plow "in" and the next "out" . one neighbor plowed out the X on his squares so there was like a shallow ditch in the X you drove down through it . a little rough in a big fast moving tractor but not bad on small equipment. plus when you get those gully washers it helped keep the crops from being drowned out by standing in water.

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ShepFL - Long post with a question for the tractor gods!

02-08-2003 21:46:22




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 Re: plowing in reply to Leroy, 02-07-2003 15:00:19  
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Funny you should mention diagonal. While I have never plowed diagonally I recently disked a 50 acre field diagonally. For plowing I do a series of left hand turns at each corner only initially plowing a furrow on all 4 sides of the field (headland and sideland). Mind you, my current efforts are done in square fields.

When entering the field I drop my plow just as the left rear tire comes up on the unplowed ground inside the previously plowed perimeter furrows. When exiting the field to make my left hand turn I raise the plow as soon as the rears tires climb up onto the headland or sideland. This way I do not tear up the field edges. I plow the headlands and sidelands last leaving enough room to get my truck in the field on unplowed ground.

Now then back to the DIAGONAL aspect of field prep. Is it HERESY to disk at 45 degrees?

This past weekend I disked up a 50 acre square field to level it and get it ready for planting. Seems it is unheard of to work a field diagonally. The locals must have thought I was loco as about 4 fellas came out to watch. They all waved and just sat on the road grinning and watching for nearly an hour. I have been wondering ever since if I broke some unwritten natural law of the Tractor Gods or is another case of the Color Police monitoring? Perhaps just a good chuckle watching me relentlessly bouncing over the "hills" and "valleys."

The field was previously layed out for row crops and had many 'hills' and 'valleys' from the previous seasons. Over the years this square field was overtaken by volunteer pine trees and sugar cane. The field is layed out with parallel rows parallel E to W. I drove to the S side of the field. Starting at the SE corner I drove W up an existing row (LH side of the field). I then crossed the field diagonally to the NE corner.

From there I drove S across the field (perpendicular to the existing rows) back to the SE corner. From there I again crossed the field diagonally to the NW corner. At the NW corner I drove E down an existing row on the N end of the field (RH side). I then crossed the field again diagonally from the NE corner to the SW corner of the field. From the SW corner I drove across the rows over to the NW corner. I continued this pattern only to stop for for refills of sweet tea.

Without a doubt it was one bumpy ride all day and my back was aching. HOWEVER, I am pleased with the results. The field is now level, no 'hills' or 'valleys'. Once I was done I smoothed the entire field traveling E to W with the gangs turned straight dragging a 12' section of railroad iron behind. One of the locals stopped by today and complimented me on a really nice looking field. Perhaps what I did was unorthodox but I found it to be an effective means to reclaim and level the field regardless of the roller coaster ride.

My field now looks similar to the pic in this post but without the high banks. Will be planting red spuds Feb. 15.


What say ye the Tractor Gods?

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David Berger

02-11-2003 18:14:47




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to ShepFL - Long post with a question for the tractor gods!, 02-08-2003 21:46:22  
Here in NE Ohio we just make a few passes around the ouside of the field and work into the inside.there are a few passes going east to west then dozens going north to south,if that makes sense.for discing,i've seen
people go in all different directions,but haven't heard of plowing diagonally.



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JMS/MN

02-09-2003 08:29:51




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to ShepFL - Long post with a question for the tractor gods!, 02-08-2003 21:46:22  
We don't do spring tillage diagonally, but we normally do it at an angle of about 20-30 degrees to the row. It does a much better job of leveling off a plowed field than running parallel to the rows. But a 45 degree angle is just unnecessarily rough on equipment and operator. Also, it is easier to see the planter marker, especially at night, since it is marking at a slight angle to the tillage track. On chisel plowed fields (chisel normally runs at an angle in fall tillage), the first pass in the spring may be parallel to the row, then the fert/chem is applied, and the pass before planting is still done at an angle. I normally make two passes around the entire field first, then till the field, and when turning with the 24 foot field cultivator, leave it slightly in the ground, so all tire tracks are eliminated. Otherwise I would re-dig the turning areas.

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paul

02-08-2003 23:39:19




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to ShepFL - Long post with a question for the tractor gods!, 02-08-2003 21:46:22  
Most spring tillage around here is done on a diagonal. Not as elaborate a pattern as you did, but just somewhat skewed from following the rows, back & forth, then 2-3 trips around the field to get all the end rows.

Of course, it is -5 degrees right now, so might not be out in the fields for a bit yet....

--->Paul



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paul

02-08-2003 08:00:52




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 Re: plowing in reply to Leroy, 02-07-2003 15:00:19  
I spent all night trying to visualize what you are doing. Where are you plowing diagonally? Sorry I don't understand.

I plow the field, then you plow both ends where you left a little to drive on. I've never had diagonals involved?

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

02-08-2003 08:11:55




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to paul, 02-08-2003 08:00:52  
Paul- many years ago I saw a neighbor plow like this- plows on all four sides of the field, around and around until he gets to the center. All furrows are thrown to the outside, no end rows, no lands, only one dead furrow in the center (assuming a square or rectangular field). What is unplowed are diagonals from each corner to the center deadfurrow, where he made the 90 degree left turns. Eliminating headlands means less turning time, running empty. Works on sod and small grain fields. Wouldn't try it on row crops.

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paul

02-08-2003 08:39:52




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 Re: Re: Re: plowing in reply to JMS/MN, 02-08-2003 08:11:55  
Wow, that's for sure! Never, ever saw that. I've got some interesting triangles to plow, but still go back & forth.

Man, that would be a bumpy ride trying to level that out, & trying to combine beans.... Oy!

If it works for other crops tho, nothing wrong with it.

--->Paul



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thurlow

02-08-2003 09:15:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing in reply to paul, 02-08-2003 08:39:52  
In my part of the world (West TN); 'round and 'round was the way plowing was done from the mid-1830's when land was first "settled" until..... I don't know early 1960's. Plowing with mules, you couldn't waste time dragging across headland; just went 'round and 'round until you reached the center. This carried over with the smaller tractors; picked the plow up and made a figure "8" and on and on and on. When we went to bigger (4-6 plow tractors, after late '50s-early '60s,also much faster speeds) many farmers either started laying the land off in strips, or; instead of making figure "8's", would pick plow up; turn left and continue on. When field was finished, you would make a few passes from each corner to center of field. Am amazed at different 'techniques' used in different parts of country and lack of knowledge of what others are/were doing.

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bowevil

02-08-2003 16:53:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing in reply to thurlow, 02-08-2003 09:15:44  
Thurlow is right on about how and why it started,however if you plow around and around long enough you will wind up with a bank around all your fields and a pond in the middle.driving down the road i can spot a slow learner or an amature by the mess they are making.better to step your headland off against your sideland and start in the middle throwing the dirt in.when your headland and your sideland look about even start plowing in your headlands.don,t bite off too big a land to start with or you may have to deadhead a lot to make it come out even.won,t take you long to figure it out ,unless of course you are one of them slow learners.

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Ric

02-07-2003 16:43:21




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 Re: plowing in reply to Leroy, 02-07-2003 15:00:19  
I usually dont lift out until I have plowed clear out to the cross dead ferrow which leaves nothing to go back to plow out. It does leave tractor tracks on the plowed ground but what the heck. The disk knocks them out. I pull up, lift out, back around, drop in, and go. Unless its a sharp point then I usually dont stop, raise up on the go and swing around on the plowed ground and drop back in when I hit the land again.

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Ray in PA.

02-09-2003 21:03:51




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to Ric , 02-07-2003 16:43:21  
Unfortunately here in Western Pa. with all the hills, I think that in this area we are forced to plow side ways on the hills to help keep erosion to a minimum. The same is true when using the disc and I do the last pass or two with the disc's by having the very beginning and ends of the pass curving up hill slightly. My problem with this method is that half the dirt goes up the hill and half of the dirt goes down the hill during plowing unless you go back one way with out plowing of which I don't do. I do start plowing in the middle first and work my way out from there.

Ray in Pa.

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